Re: All the problems of French Philosophy...

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
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Subject	Re: All the problems of French Philosophy...
Date	2026-05-16 06:01 +0000
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On Sat, 16 May 2026 00:42:15 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> Most car owners don’t want to look under their car bonnets, nor would
> they understand what they would see if they did. Does that mean we
> should sell cars with sealed bonnets?
> 
> No, because car owners want the freedom of choice of being able to take
> their car for servicing to any garage they wish, not necessarily one
> controlled by the car maker.

Considering I did a 35,000 mile oil change for the Toyota today a sealed 
bonnet would be a no go. When I bought my first Yaris in 2007 I checked 
the engine in the showroom. I can reach down from the top to unscrew and 
replace the oil filter. The drain plug does require getting on the ground 
but it is an easy reach.

Being a Toyota I've never had to do anything else except periodic air 
filter replacements. That's easy to get to also.

That's my idea of freedom of choice. Of course manufacturers would like to 
take that away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_repair

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    Re: All the problems of French Philsophy... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 11:34 -0700
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