Re: The joy of Democracy

From	Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: The joy of Democracy
Date	2024-10-20 14:19 -1000
Organization	Wheeler&Wheeler
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Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
> Later somewhat replay of the 1940 celebration, there was conference of
> 5000 industrialists and corporations from across the US at the
> Waldorf-Astoria, and in part because they had gotten such a bad
> reputation for the depression and supporting Nazis, as part of
> attempting to refurbish their horribly corrupt and venal image, they
> approved a major propaganda campaign to equate Capitalism with
> Christianity.
> "https://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-God-Corporate-ebook/dp/B00PWX7R56/

 ... then "Was Harvard responsible for the rise of Putin" ... after
the fall of the Soviet Union, those sent over to teach capitalism were
more intent on looting the country (and the Russians needed a Russian to
oppose US looting). John Helmer: Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay,
Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia, Resurfaces in Ukraine
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html
If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true
proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an
extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional
Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard
faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and
resigned shortly thereafter.

... snip ...

How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier
university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be
capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to
scandal and disgrace (gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20130211131020/http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html
Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting
framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself
acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in
Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers,
who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its
cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the
U.S.-Russian relationship."

... snip ...

There was proposal to establish 5000 local bank operations around Russia
(as part of promoting capitalism), running approx @$1m, needed sequence
of financial dealings starting with $5B of Russian natural resources
... until financing was available for the bank institutions. All the
efforts collapsed with the US-style kleptocracy capitalism (which has a
long history predating the banana republics).

-- 
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                Re: The joy of Democracy Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-19 17:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2024-10-19 17:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 18:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 01:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-20 10:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 16:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-19 19:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-18 18:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:18 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-17 13:09 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 22:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-17 22:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 01:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 03:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 04:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 05:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 05:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-19 11:14 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 19:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-19 22:11 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 02:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-20 11:31 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-20 12:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-18 07:48 -1000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-18 17:49 -1000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-20 14:19 -1000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-20 12:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 02:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 00:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-20 12:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-20 22:03 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-20 12:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 00:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-21 03:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-17 23:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-18 10:13 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:26 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-17 11:03 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-17 19:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 02:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-20 12:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-21 11:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-21 16:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-21 17:53 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 23:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 06:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 09:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 09:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 17:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 18:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 11:14 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 01:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2024-10-23 13:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 19:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Alfred Falk <aefalk@telus.net> - 2024-10-23 15:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 20:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 02:30 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2024-10-22 20:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of Science Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 20:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-16 19:58 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-16 13:40 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> - 2024-10-17 10:17 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-17 09:02 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-10-17 20:30 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 22:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-17 23:50 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 04:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 02:15 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-20 12:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 04:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 05:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 02:25 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-18 18:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography 186282ud0s3 <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-18 19:59 -0400
                Re: The joy of Typography Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-19 19:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of Typography Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 08:15 -0700
                Re: The joy of Typography Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-10-19 20:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Typography Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-20 12:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 05:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-15 22:13 +0200
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-10-14 08:19 -0700
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-12 02:07 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-12 02:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-12 17:34 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-12 21:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-13 00:23 +0000
            Re: The joy of FORTRAN Schlomo Goldberg <schlomo.goldberg@mailinator.com> - 2024-10-12 02:35 +0000
              Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-12 07:44 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-11 19:05 -0400
    Re: The joy of FORTRAN candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-10-10 18:10 +0000
      Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-11 10:59 -0400
        Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-11 18:33 +0000
          Re: The joy of FORTRAN Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-11 19:04 -0400

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