Re: A small puzzle.

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From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject	Re: A small puzzle.
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
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Date	2022-09-06 08:34 +1000
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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-09-05 03:41, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 05/09/2022 00:29, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>    - 2FA codes for using the bank on the computer. For this, you need to
>>>>> install the bank app on the phone, because SMSs are not considered safe
>>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>> I hope mine doesn't go that way because I'm not going to keep an
>>>> up-to-date (it would need to be if I'm trusting apps to run
>>>> securely) smartphone just for that. In fact they only started doing
>>>> 2FA SMS codes this year. I had an old mobile number linked to that
>>>> account - had to go in and sort that out in person. That account is
>>>> only used for online payments anyway.
>>>>
>>>> My 'dumb' phone is only used for SMS and voice calls, and both are
>>>> rare. It's bare-bones online functionality died ages ago when
>>>> everything went HTTPS, and I prefer to use a landline so I don't
>>>> give its number out unless I have no other choice.
>>>>
>>> You can conceal your mobile phone number.
>> 
>> No I mean I don't tell people my mobile number so that I'm not
>> obliged to use it, I only want people to call on the landline. It's
>> only turned on when I want to use it anyway. PayPal will call up a
>> landline for their verification code system, but the bank insists
>> on a mobile number.
> 
> And they will eventually insist on a smartphone.

I only use the account for about a dozen transactions a year at the
moment. Given that smartphones cost hundreds and go unsupported
after a few years, factoring that cost in would make the cost per
transaction (currently $0 if I do everything right and it doesn't
involve currency conversion) much higher.

I previously used a pre-paid credit card which emailed a code for
2FA, so maybe I would try switching back to that again and see
whether websites have stopped rejecting payments from it. Or is
email 2FA considered insecure as well in this hypothetical?

Actually I think trying to second-guess the future behaviour of a
bank that's only just brought in SMS 2FA is a stretch, regardless
of what's happening overseas (and has apparantly been happening
quite differently for many years in some places).

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A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 01:03 +0100
  Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-02 20:14 -0400
  Re: A small puzzle. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-09-03 11:49 +1000
    Re: A small puzzle. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-09-02 21:30 -0700
      Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 11:06 +0100
        Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-03 13:59 +0200
          Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 13:31 +0100
            Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-03 21:59 +0200
              Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 10:05 +0100
                Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:50 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:19 +0100
                Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-04 22:17 +0200
      Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-03 14:01 +0200
        Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 13:34 +0100
          Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-03 22:02 +0200
            Re: A small puzzle. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-09-03 20:25 +0000
              Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 10:23 +0100
                Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:58 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-09-05 09:29 +1000
                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 00:41 +0100
                Re: A small puzzle. Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2022-09-05 11:41 +1000
                Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-05 00:40 -0400
                Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 06:49 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-09-04 23:03 -0700
                Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-05 20:00 -0400
                Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-06 12:50 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-06 15:24 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 08:28 +0100
                Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 10:38 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 11:11 +0100
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                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 17:24 +0100
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                Re: A small puzzle. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-09-05 22:27 +0000
                Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-05 22:26 -0400
                Re: A small puzzle. "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-09-05 19:58 -0400
                Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 06:47 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2022-09-05 17:44 +1000
                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 09:34 +0100
                Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 10:42 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 11:15 +0100
                Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-05 18:03 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2022-09-05 09:43 -0700
                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-05 19:25 +0100
                Re: A small puzzle. Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-09-06 08:12 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-06 09:07 +0100
                Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-05 15:11 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-09-06 08:34 +1000
                Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-05 15:22 +0200
            Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 10:16 +0100
              Re: A small puzzle. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2022-09-04 14:04 +0200
                Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:26 +0100
              Re: A small puzzle. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-09-04 13:23 +0000
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    Re: A small puzzle. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-03 11:19 +0100
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