Re: M$ 365 Down, Again

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Subject	Re: M$ 365 Down, Again
Date	2025-02-07 10:23 +0100
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 2/6/25 5:53 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-02-06 04:19, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>> On 2/5/25 5:18 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-02-05 07:33, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>> On 2/4/25 4:02 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>   Zeps are technically "better", but the framework
>>>>>>>>   is subject to stress and can snap - even if it
>>>>>>>>   was upgraded to titanium. Blimps spread the load
>>>>>>>>   across the entire envelope and can thus survive
>>>>>>>>   sudden wind gusts better. They may kinda fold
>>>>>>>>   and shimmy, but don't snap.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>   Hmmmm ... maybe a 'hybrid' is possible now -
>>>>>>>>   a blimp, but 'stiffened' a bit with like
>>>>>>>>   graphite ribs so it's not SO floppy ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I heard about an experimental concept that does not use a gas for 
>>>>>>> lift,
>>>>>>> but vacuum! Very fascinating!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> More theoretical than experimental - the materials might be
>>>>>> possible but I don't think anyone can make them yet.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Um, no, CAN'T be made. Ever SEEN any kind of vac
>>>>>    vessel even slightly compromised ? INSTANT total
>>>>>    CRUSH. Maybe an unobtanium sphere .....
>>>> 
>>>> Ever seen electrical bulbs? Some are vacuum filled.
>>>> There were also electronic valves, CRT tubes...
>>> 
>>>    Well, as an experiment, WEIGH the glass envelope
>>>    on those vac tubes ... then extrapolate that for
>>>    a 200-foot flying vessel.
>>> 
>>>    Oh, both valves and old light-bulbs BREAK very
>>>    easily.
>>> 
>>>    Modern incandescent bulbs are filled with argon.
>>>    This is better and the gas/pressure helps suppress
>>>    filament boil-off.
>> 
>> I know. I happen to have one vacuum bulb at hand reach, and the bottom part 
>> (the part facing the floor) is darkened by evaporated metal deposits.
>> 
>>> 
>>>    Anyway, sorry, I just CAN'T see any sort of useful
>>>    and safe vacuum blimp. One goose bumps into the
>>>    thing and it will all implode in an instant.
>> 
>> Oh, I know that vacuum filled blimps are impossible.
>> 
>>> 
>>>    Hmmm ... MAYbe there can be a 'gas' lighter than
>>>    hydrogen - some kind of exotic matter ? Perhaps
>>>    some high electrostatic charge - center electrode
>>>    and envelope both negatively charged, then the
>>>    vacuum would not SEEM to be a vacuum so far as
>>>    the structural components are concerned. Sounds
>>>    kinda sparky alas.
>> 
>> Force fields :-)
>
>  Well ... show me one that's practical  :-)
>
>  In THEORY you could use positronium gas ... but
>  if any of those electrons wander elsewhere ....

I once encountered a man on a mailinglist who was going to have this type 
of thing as his Ph.D. thesis. He said that he could probably solve this. I 
wonder if he will?

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  Re: M$ 365 Down, Again D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 10:34 +0100
  Re: M$ 365 Down, Again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-30 10:50 +0000
    Re: M$ 365 Down, Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 11:00 +0000
      Re: M$ 365 Down, Again D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-30 18:44 +0100
        Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-31 15:26 +0100
          Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-31 16:20 -0500
            Re: M$ 365 Down, Again D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-31 23:49 +0100
              Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-31 20:30 -0500
            Re: M$ 365 Down, Again Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-01 13:07 +0000
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              Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-01 01:54 -0500
                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 14:45 +0100
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-02 20:41 +0000
                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-02 20:46 +0000
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-04 09:36 +0000
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-03 22:09 -0500
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-05 07:02 +1000
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-02-04 23:54 -0800
                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-05 11:18 +0100
                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-05 22:19 -0500
                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-06 10:35 +0000
                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-07 06:28 +1000
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-02-07 15:39 +1000
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-07 12:42 +0000
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-04 09:41 +0000
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-06 00:45 -0500
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-02-06 20:38 +0000
                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-06 23:13 -0500
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-03 22:48 -0500
                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-02-04 05:54 +0000
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                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "WokieSux282@ud0s4.net" <WokieSux283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-02-03 01:29 -0500
                Re: M$ 365 Down, Again The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-03 09:45 +0000
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              Re: M$ 365 Down, Again "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-02-01 14:44 +0100
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