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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE |
| Date | 2025-08-06 19:55 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <3ihcmlx47d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
| References | <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <106ukm1$35g8p$3@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106v67a$1cgol$1@news1.tnib.de> <106vfvv$3bpmd$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106vi4r$3c9cr$2@dont-email.me> |
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On 2025-08-06 14:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 06/08/2025 12:57, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>> On 6/8/2025 5:11 pm, Marc Haber wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I heard that some banks' ATM machines ARE still using Win95.... :)
>>>
>>> And what is the problem with that? Those machines run in a segregated
>>> network and it is very much controlled what is installed on them.
>>
>> Sometimes old products are more dependable... :)
>
> What was that place that booted up a PDP 11 off a floppy every day? Some
> railway control system?
>
Yes, I read about it. A city railway system.
I asked chatgpt to find it for me. It is quite good for those searches
with incomplete data.
+++·····················
Q: Do you know of a city railway system that I read has to be
booted everyday with a floppy? I read about it, but can not
remember where it was.
It sounds like you're recalling the San Francisco Muni Metro Automated
Train Control System, which famously requires three 5¼‑inch floppy disks
to boot every morning. The system, installed in 1998, still uses DOS
software loaded from floppies onto central servers to enable trains to
run in automatic mode while in subway tunnels
Reddit+15PC Gamer+15WIRED+15
.
🚆 Key Details:
Every morning, staff manually insert floppy disks into the control
system to start it up—it won't boot without them
ghtribune.com
Reddit
.
This setup enables the train control servers (not individual
trains) to run the software necessary for automated subway operations.
Once trains exit to street level, operators drive them manually
PC Gamer
WIRED
.
Although the system exceeded its expected 20–25 year lifespan
around 2023, replacements have been slow due to complexity, budget
limitations, and safety concerns
neowin.net+7WIRED+7WIRED+7
.
🛠️ Modernization Plans:
In 2024, San Francisco approved a $212 million contract with
Hitachi Rail to design and implement a modern train control system that
eliminates reliance on floppy disks, with expected rollout by 2028–2030
ITC.ua+14WIRED+14New York Post+14
.
The overall upgrade across the entire Muni Metro network is
projected to cost up to $700 million, supporting technologies like
wireless communication and fiber optics for safer and more efficient
operations. Full completion is estimated by 2032–2034
New York Post+3San Francisco Chronicle+3WIRED+3
.
📝 In Summary:
Yes, there is a city railway system—the San Francisco Muni Metro—whose
central train control servers must be booted daily using floppy disks.
The reliance on such antiquated technology persisted until very
recently, but a phased modernization plan is now underway to bring the
system into the 21st century.
Let me know if you'd like more details on how the system works, its
history, or the upgrade project!
Q: Do you know if those servers are using internal hard disks,
but they boot from floppies? I remember some times that
floppies were used for computer verification against copy
of the software. On some airplanes, the floppies are used
to hold data for the day.
You're absolutely on the right track — and your memory aligns with how
floppy disks have been used in various legacy systems, including **rail
systems**, **aircraft**, and **copy-protection mechanisms**.
---
## 🧠 Regarding the **San Francisco Muni Metro system**:
### 🖥️ Do the servers have internal hard disks?
Yes, they **almost certainly** do. The **three 5¼-inch floppy disks**
used each morning are not the only storage medium. Instead, the system
works roughly like this:
1. The **floppy disks contain the boot or configuration software**
necessary to start the **train control servers**.
2. Once the system boots from the floppies, it likely **loads core
components onto a hard disk** (or RAM) and continues to operate from there.
3. The servers stay on for the day. If they’re rebooted or powered down,
**floppies are needed again** to start it up.
So yes — the floppy disks act more like:
* **Boot loaders**
* Possibly **security dongles or key disks**
* Or even **integrity verifiers** (i.e., the system won't start unless
the floppy is present)
This is **not uncommon** in 1980s/1990s-era industrial systems that are
still in use today.
---
## ✈️ In aviation (as you mentioned):
Many aircraft — particularly **older airliners like the Boeing 747-400
or some early Airbus models** — used **floppy disks to load navigation
data**:
* The data included **flight plans**, **airport information**, **airway
structures**, and **updates to the flight management system (FMS)**.
* Floppies were changed **daily or weekly**, depending on the airline
and region.
* The FMS system itself resided on internal memory, but the floppies
were the **data update method**.
Some aircraft even had **multiple floppy drives** to load large nav
datasets over several disks. These systems are now largely being
replaced by **USB-based or networked updates**, but the floppy era
persisted **well into the 2010s** in some fleets.
---
## 💽 Software copy protection using floppies:
Also spot on — in the 80s and 90s, many commercial software applications
(especially high-value software like CAD, accounting, and games) used:
* **Key disks**: floppy disks that had to be present in the drive to run
the software.
* **Hidden sectors** or **nonstandard formatting** that acted as proof
of originality.
* This approach was popular before **hardware dongles (like parallel or
USB keys)** became common.
---
### 🧵 TL;DR:
* The San Francisco Muni Metro system **does use internal hard disks**,
but the system **must be booted from floppies** each day, probably due
to legacy software architecture and startup routines.
* Similar usage patterns existed in **airplanes** (for nav data) and
**copy protection** schemes in software.
Would you like a breakdown of how floppy-based boot systems were
structured back in DOS or UNIX environments?
Q: Thanks.
You're very welcome! If you ever want to dive deeper into legacy
systems, retro tech, or how modern systems are still weirdly dependent
on old gear, just ask — it’s a fascinating topic. 😊
¡Hasta la próxima!
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--
Cheers, Carlos.
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Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 10:23 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 13:36 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-10 12:42 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-10 12:58 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 15:53 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-10 15:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-10 19:12 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 12:05 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-11 18:28 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 20:58 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-12 01:42 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-12 19:55 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:41 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-12 18:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-12 19:59 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-12 16:47 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 02:36 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 09:50 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-13 19:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 14:38 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-13 03:04 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 06:16 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-13 05:22 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:39 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-13 19:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 20:02 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 00:57 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 10:47 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-13 22:56 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-14 00:35 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 01:00 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 20:43 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 10:24 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 19:58 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 14:47 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 00:54 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 20:36 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 04:29 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 00:55 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-13 22:51 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 20:56 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 10:20 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 22:30 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-14 03:32 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 04:30 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 10:17 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-12 23:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 02:31 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:07 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 19:56 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-14 00:38 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-13 01:00 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 06:12 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:16 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-13 12:40 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 12:29 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-13 20:05 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 11:09 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:39 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-11 22:06 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-11 23:40 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:56 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:50 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-12 23:11 +0000
Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-13 02:11 +0000
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-13 02:59 +0000
VoIP (was Re: Real-time OSs) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-14 03:07 +0000
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-13 12:45 +0200
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 12:31 +0100
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-13 15:15 +0200
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 17:29 +0100
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-13 18:38 +0200
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 17:51 +0100
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-13 19:14 +0200
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-13 18:58 +0100
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-13 20:36 +0200
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-13 21:30 +0200
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-13 21:55 +0200
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-14 00:48 +0000
OT: far-right misinformation and propaganda, again - about the 2025 iberian blackout (was: Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE)) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-14 00:29 +0100
Re: OT: far-right misinformation and propaganda, again - about the 2025 iberian blackout Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-08-13 21:04 -0700
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-14 00:25 +0000
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 02:35 +0200
Re: Real-time OSs (Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-08-14 03:14 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 14:21 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-09 11:17 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-09 23:26 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-10 10:24 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 21:43 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-08-10 20:47 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 04:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-11 01:52 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 12:20 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 20:32 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-11 22:07 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-11 03:58 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-11 20:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-11 12:17 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 10:35 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-09 22:26 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-11 09:39 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-11 22:13 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-11 15:41 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-12 02:22 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-12 00:06 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-12 20:09 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-12 23:01 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-12 10:47 +0100
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-12 23:20 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 08:48 -0700
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-06 16:09 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-07 08:43 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-07 07:12 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 14:40 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-07 20:09 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 22:23 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 14:18 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-07 18:29 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 21:44 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-08 04:11 +0000
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-07 17:36 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 15:30 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-06 23:59 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-06 21:59 +0200
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-06 17:41 -0400
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-07 14:31 +0800
Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-08-07 08:43 +0200
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