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On Wed, 25 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 12/25/24 5:08 PM, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> 
>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>> As part of my christmas tradition, I always upgrade my linux when the
>>>> holiday starts. The reason is that if something goes wrong, I have a long
>>>> time to fix it, without anything work related getting in the way.
>>> 
>>> Where practical I prefer to clone the drive and upgrade the clone,
>>> then work on the issues while using the old OS on the original
>> 
>> Way to advanced for my humble infrastructure. ;) But online and in the 
>> hosting environment, snapshots are very convenient when doing any big 
>> changes. Actually, I do have btrfs on my opensuse, so when doing any 
>> upgrades, it does take a snapshot, so I do have the option of rolling back 
>> to the last good snapshot. Come to think of it, I've done it once with 
>> great success! =)
>> 
>>> drive and finally clone the upgrade drive over when everything's
>>> working right (after doing a backup of the old one just in case I
>>> was wrong). So there's no deadline as such, just the annoyance of
>>> needing to note when new software is installed during use so the
>>> same can be done on the upgrade drive.
>>> 
>>>> Every year, I am equally surprised when things just work. I move my dot
>>>> files, and all application are there, with the settings I'm used to.
>>> 
>>> I often have trouble with things getting unintentionally
>>> uninstalled.
>> 
>> Strangely enough, everything survived and was upgraded after the OS 
>> upgrade. Opensuse is a true ninja! I do not understand why not more people 
>> use it in production. I suspect that it is one distro that will disappear 
>> within the next 10 years or so, as SUSE gets more and more mismanaged.
>
>  The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL
>  vortex now, just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically
>  an unpaid beta tester for IBM. Eventually they won't need
>  that so much - and that entire distro family will just
>  go away.

What is this IBM/RHEL vortex of SUSE? I've missed that completely. Is 
anyone buying SUSE? SUSE has a hidden gem and that is their deal with SAP, 
where they are the default OS in many SAP environments.

>  Hmm ... time for a "MOREOpenSUSE" fork ... it really is a
>  very good, useful, helpful distro. Used it for a LONG
>  time for both workstations and servers.
>
>  Debian WAS good - but now it's gone way too 'Canonical'
>  for no good reasons whatsoever except to cause problems.
>  A few forks like Devuan may still be OK for now.

Sigh... debian was on my list, as well as devuan.

>  Arch derivs and a few of the BSDs may be your future.
>  Just downloaded the latest 'Dragonfly' yesterday. I'll
>  make a VM out of it for experimental purposes. The
>  biggest BSD prob these days is that the driver database
>  tends to run years behind ... making them better for
>  servers with boring standard hardware.

I think you are right. The more I look the more BSD seems like a good 
choice. It seems Linux is becoming too cloudified and too governed by big 
corporations. I tried to work with the linux foundation once, and it was 
just revolting. I am working with a non-profit now under the linux 
foundation, and it is so sloooooooooooow. It is a miracle they manage to 
get anything done at all. =/

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