Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Linux upgrade. Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:37:28 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <3fcf9a83-310f-6777-174d-e4ccd9aa59cd@example.net> References: <676c7302@news.ausics.net> <9b186526-edd5-2a87-ea25-de228dcb6c9d@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="533866"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:63085 On Wed, 25 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > On 12/25/24 5:08 PM, D wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 26 Dec 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >> >>> D wrote: >>>> As part of my christmas tradition, I always upgrade my linux when the >>>> holiday starts. The reason is that if something goes wrong, I have a long >>>> time to fix it, without anything work related getting in the way. >>> >>> Where practical I prefer to clone the drive and upgrade the clone, >>> then work on the issues while using the old OS on the original >> >> Way to advanced for my humble infrastructure. ;) But online and in the >> hosting environment, snapshots are very convenient when doing any big >> changes. Actually, I do have btrfs on my opensuse, so when doing any >> upgrades, it does take a snapshot, so I do have the option of rolling back >> to the last good snapshot. Come to think of it, I've done it once with >> great success! =) >> >>> drive and finally clone the upgrade drive over when everything's >>> working right (after doing a backup of the old one just in case I >>> was wrong). So there's no deadline as such, just the annoyance of >>> needing to note when new software is installed during use so the >>> same can be done on the upgrade drive. >>> >>>> Every year, I am equally surprised when things just work. I move my dot >>>> files, and all application are there, with the settings I'm used to. >>> >>> I often have trouble with things getting unintentionally >>> uninstalled. >> >> Strangely enough, everything survived and was upgraded after the OS >> upgrade. Opensuse is a true ninja! I do not understand why not more people >> use it in production. I suspect that it is one distro that will disappear >> within the next 10 years or so, as SUSE gets more and more mismanaged. > > The death of OpenSUSE is that it's part of the IBM/RHEL > vortex now, just like CentOS. Using it, you're basically > an unpaid beta tester for IBM. Eventually they won't need > that so much - and that entire distro family will just > go away. What is this IBM/RHEL vortex of SUSE? I've missed that completely. Is anyone buying SUSE? SUSE has a hidden gem and that is their deal with SAP, where they are the default OS in many SAP environments. > Hmm ... time for a "MOREOpenSUSE" fork ... it really is a > very good, useful, helpful distro. Used it for a LONG > time for both workstations and servers. > > Debian WAS good - but now it's gone way too 'Canonical' > for no good reasons whatsoever except to cause problems. > A few forks like Devuan may still be OK for now. Sigh... debian was on my list, as well as devuan. > Arch derivs and a few of the BSDs may be your future. > Just downloaded the latest 'Dragonfly' yesterday. I'll > make a VM out of it for experimental purposes. The > biggest BSD prob these days is that the driver database > tends to run years behind ... making them better for > servers with boring standard hardware. I think you are right. The more I look the more BSD seems like a good choice. It seems Linux is becoming too cloudified and too governed by big corporations. I tried to work with the linux foundation once, and it was just revolting. I am working with a non-profit now under the linux foundation, and it is so sloooooooooooow. It is a miracle they manage to get anything done at all. =/