Re: iPhones and Linux

From	Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: iPhones and Linux
Date	2026-05-23 08:52 +0000
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On Sat, 23 May 2026 09:21:34 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

> Linux used to be behind BSD in that regard.

Linux used to be behind BSD in lots of ways -- in the network stack,
as well. Nowadays I’m not aware of any practical reason for running a
*BSD system, unless you want to experience what “Unix” computing was
like in the 1980s, and pretend that Microsoft and Apple never
happened.

> The BSD world had jails for three decades now, which was one order
> of magnitude better than running Linux processes in chroot.

chroot has been known as an ugly, leaky hack since its invention. It
was just the only way you could do any kind of privilege separation
across just about all systems that could call themselves “*nix”.

> Since Linux Namespaces came around, things have become very much
> different. I have lost knowledge about whether BSD jails have grown
> and are up to par again to Linux in these days.

At least as far as Docker goes, seems they alternate between
Docker-envy <https://wiki.freebsd.org/Docker> and a sort of
sour-grapes who-needs-it syndrome
<https://www.reddit.com/r/BSD/comments/r32fbi/eli5_why_does_the_freebsd_community_hate_docker/>.

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  Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-10 17:40 +0000
    Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-10 17:08 -0700
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            [OT] Booting Windows system partition on a VM (was: Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 09:48 +0100
              Re: [OT] Booting Windows system partition on a VM (was: Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 19:47 +0000
          Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:38 +0000
    Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-05-11 07:07 -0400
    Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:52 +0100
      Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-12 19:55 +0000
        Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 09:49 +0100
  Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-10 18:21 +0000
  Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-10 20:08 +0000
    Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.invalid> - 2026-05-11 14:02 +0000
  Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2026-05-10 20:14 -0400
  Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-05-11 04:34 +0200
    Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 03:29 +0000
      Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 01:08 -0400
      Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-11 11:14 +0200
        Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 12:37 -0400
      Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-05-12 07:26 +0200
        Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 01:32 -0400
  Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows drive? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 12:32 +0100
  Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-14 04:20 +0000
    Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:24 +0100
      Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-18 05:34 +0000
        Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-18 05:42 +0000
          iPhones and Linux - and Android Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-05-18 06:38 -0700
            Re: iPhones and Linux - and Android rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-18 15:59 +0000
            Re: iPhones and Linux - and Android Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-19 02:15 +0000
        Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2026-05-18 05:53 +0000
          [OT] USENET etiquette (was: Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-20 09:17 +0100
            Re: [OT] USENET etiquette "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-20 13:11 +0200
              Re: [OT] USENET etiquette OCTADE <news0@octade.net> - 2026-05-21 19:03 +0000
        iPhones and Linux Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-05-18 06:32 -0700
          Re: iPhones and Linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-18 18:17 +0200
            Re: iPhones and Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-19 00:58 +0000
              Re: iPhones and Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-18 21:48 -0400
          Re: iPhones and Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-19 02:17 +0000
            Re: iPhones and Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-19 00:01 -0400
            Re: iPhones and Linux Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-05-18 21:11 -0700
              Re: iPhones and Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-19 01:10 -0400
              Re: iPhones and Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-19 07:01 +0000
              Re: iPhones and Linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-19 10:51 +0200
                Re: iPhones and Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-19 17:32 +0000
                Re: iPhones and Linux "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-19 22:39 +0200
                Re: iPhones and Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-20 00:00 -0400
            Re: iPhones and Linux Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-22 18:46 +0000
              Re: iPhones and Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-23 05:59 +0000
                Re: iPhones and Linux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 09:21 +0200
                Re: iPhones and Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-23 08:52 +0000
                Re: iPhones and Linux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-23 14:08 +0200
                Re: iPhones and Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 03:41 +0000
                Re: iPhones and Linux Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam2616@zugschl.us> - 2026-05-24 10:37 +0200
                Re: iPhones and Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 23:04 +0000
                Re: iPhones and Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 22:32 -0400
                Re: iPhones and Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 00:17 -0400
                Re: iPhones and Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 05:59 +0000
                Re: iPhones and Linux c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-24 02:49 -0400
                Re: iPhones and Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-24 18:28 +0000
                Re: iPhones and Linux Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-23 08:54 +0000
                Re: iPhones and Linux Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-23 12:35 +0100
                Re: iPhones and Linux Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-24 04:53 +0000
                Re: iPhones and Linux rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-23 17:37 +0000
    Re: Thinking about moving to Linux permanently, should I keep my Windows rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 17:17 +0000

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