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Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip

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David Brown wrote:

> On 18/12/13 20:19, 7 wrote:
>> Frank Miles wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 11:06:03 +0100, David Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>> But I think quantum computing itself will be about
>>>> as successful as neural networks (and how many people remember them?).
>>>
>>> I don't know whether quantum computing will ever live up to the hype.
>>> Neural networks may not have, but they're still an active area of
>>> research (see, for example, the IEEE Transactions on Neural Networks
>>> and Learning Systems) and - I have heard - have largely taken over
>>> pattern recognition/classifier tasks.
>>>
>>> Probably not too many embedded systems (these days) have such needs...
>> 
>> 
> 
> <snip the waffling nonsense>
> 
>> 
>> My idea was to do away with building quantum computers with quantum
>> computing elements and replace it with digital logic (like the way we do
>> away analog computing elements with digital computing elements) and see
>> if something useful can be salvaged.
> 
> This is certainly possible - but it is far from being a new idea.
> Almost everything in the "quantum computing" world is done like this -
> it is all simulated in classical logic.  Most is simulated on normal
> cpus and PC's, but some will use FPGA's for faster specialised logic.
> Since the best /real/ quantum computers take months to set up, then run
> for a few milliseconds at a time to answer problems like "what are the
> prime factors of 21?", research and theory is all done with simulations
> (or just pencil and paper).

?
Wrong page?
We gone past ideas of simulations.

 
>> The answer seems to be yes - 5% extra silicon for digital version of
>> quantum computers in exchange for 10x to 100x performance improvement.
> 
> It is this statement that no one believes - it is completely fabricated.
>  It is so far from any sort of reality that it barely warrants a reply.
> 
> 
> What /is/ realistic

That remains to be seen surely?

> is that thinking in terms of quantum computing can
> give ideas to new algorithms or new ways of solving problems (using
> classical logic or normal cpus) - sometimes simulating aspects of a
> different system can be used for other purposes.  Examples include using
> neural network ideas and simulations for pattern recognition, or using
> simulated annealing (as done by the D-Wave machines) to give fast
> approximate answers to some optimisation problems.
>
>> But software is a lot harder to build.
>> I would like to say how its done, but you would have patent trolls
>> on your back in no time. Particularly from USA.
>> 
> 
> Don't worry about patents or trolls.  If you think you've had a good
> idea here, you can be confident that a lot of other people have thought
> of it already.

If I see it, I let you know.

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Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-14 21:18 +0000
  Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-14 22:52 +0000
    Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-14 23:38 +0000
      Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-12-14 18:16 -0600
      Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-15 22:47 +0000
        Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-12-16 00:45 +0000
          Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-16 02:08 +0000
            Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-12-16 03:30 +0000
          Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-16 08:38 +0000
            Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-16 15:16 +0000
          Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-16 08:38 +0000
          Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-16 08:38 +0000
          Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-16 08:38 +0000
            Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-12-16 17:51 +0000
              Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-16 21:56 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-12-17 00:10 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip Lusotec <nomail@nomail.not> - 2013-12-17 03:30 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-12-17 03:48 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-17 18:44 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-12-17 19:42 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip Thad Floryan <thad@thadlabs.com> - 2013-12-17 12:23 -0800
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-12-18 00:19 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-12-18 00:34 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2013-12-18 11:06 +0100
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2013-12-18 16:18 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-18 19:19 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2013-12-19 10:05 +0100
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-19 20:45 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2013-12-20 09:40 +0100
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-12-20 20:55 +0000
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2013-12-19 09:54 +0100
                Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-12-17 19:40 +0000
    Re: Google set to make its own energy efficient ARM Server chip Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2013-12-14 18:15 -0600

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