Re: Reading the Riot Act To ARM's developers

Date	2012-02-14 15:42 -0700
From	GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.linux.embedded
Subject	Re: Reading the Riot Act To ARM's developers
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Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> GreyCloud wrote:
> 
>> Peter KÃ¶hlmann wrote:
>>> 7 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Grant Edwards wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-02-13, 7
>>>>> <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Tauno Voipio wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So let me get this right - /your/ code is perfect, but other
>>>>>>>>> developers' code is crap and it's all because of the evil ARM CMSIS
>>>>>>>>> library programmers?
>>>>>>>> Nearly not correct. I have problems with CMSIS librarians who can't
>>>>>>>> get their act together right on the issue of giving flags names..
>>>>>>>> And judging by your comments, I probably have a secondary issue now
>>>>>>>> with CMSIS librarians not working with compiler makers to sing from
>>>>>>>> the same hymn sheet over how named flags should be get implemented
>>>>>>>> when read/modify/write operations are requested.
>>>>>>> How about running your code without CMSIS, instead of whining?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My ARMs have been runnung happily without
>>>>>>> a bit of CMSIS code.
>>>>>> Then you miss the point I made earlier that your code won't be
>>>>>> compatible to mine as we would both use different names and methods
>>>>>> to access registers.
>>>>> This may sound a bit flip, but my first response is "so?".
>>>>>
>>>>> After using ARM parts for over a decade, I have yet to run into the
>>>>> requirement that my code be compatible with yours.
>>>> I've had to debug other people's code.
>>>> Its damn hard if they guy has written everything their own way and with
>>>> numbers instead of designated registers and flag names.
>>>> I've also had to use other people's code and make newer product.
>>>> Thats where I'm coming from. It just sucks when its all hard coded
>>>> numbers. Its impossible to follow when you got tens of pages of numbers
>>>> that flip back and forth.
>>>>
>>>> When a newer model came out, I spec'd the newer software to be written
>>>> without use of hard coded numbers.
>>> What are you talking about?
>>> Your claims don't even make real sense when talking about assembly
>>> language.
>>>
>>> When talking about high level languages, they don't make any sense at all
>>>
>>> "Hard coded numbers". Bullshit
>>> You have not programmed anything ever
>> Well... will wonders never cease!
> 
> I will call bullshit on anyone, linux advocate or not, if they are talking 
> bollocks
> 
>> Finally, you did what needed to be done.
>>
> 
> Not "finally".
> I don't read all posts, especially not from "7"
> 
> So, what post will get answered or not depends very much on chance

All of 7s post didn't look right from a programming point of view.


-- 
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  Re: Reading the Riot Act To ARM's developers cassiope <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2012-02-08 09:51 -0800
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                Re: Reading the Riot Act To ARM's developers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2012-02-14 10:35 +0100
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