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  Can linux replace facebook? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2018-04-10 23:37 +0200
    Re: Can linux replace facebook? Mustafa Cihan <musdogru@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 09:05 -0700
      Re: Can linux replace facebook? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2018-04-24 18:06 +0000
      Re: Can linux replace facebook? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2018-04-25 09:40 +0200
    Re: Can linux replace facebook? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2018-04-26 07:34 +0000
    Re: Can linux replace facebook? Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-10-06 04:51 +0000
    Re: Can linux replace facebook? Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2024-04-12 15:14 +0200
    Re: Can linux replace facebook? Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2024-04-12 15:14 +0200
      Re: Can linux replace facebook? 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jaworski1978@adres.pl> - 2025-09-22 16:16 +0200

#854 — Can linux replace facebook?

Why you need facebook?

To share photos, messages, whatever with your friends.

A machine that is accessible using TCP/IP can do all that without any 
social network. You give your friends your address (or tcpip ID) and you 
can share anything in digital form with them. You can visit discussion 
forums held in your machine or in some friend's machine.

Linux can do all that. It is able to store images, and display them to 
any browser that happens to request it.

Instead of giving your data to an organization that will sell it to 
advertisers, you can build your own site and share ideas or whatever 
with your friends. Directly, without any one else intervening.

What about a "node" machine, the size of a credit card?

I am running linux in an ARM64, the size of a credit card. Using a cheap 
1TB SSD, the thing runs incredibly well. And could be a good FB replacement!

Social networks are an industry that is inherently dangerous if centralized.

TCP/IP is decentralized, and can handle the construction of networks of 
friends, or people interested in sharing data/stories, whatever.

Networks that do not lead into a centralized nightmare where the guys 
behind the scenes sell the data to advertisers.

Just networks of people, without any central store.

This kind of networks would be straight networking: nothing more. All 
the data is decentralized in each machine, and it is your property, not 
somebody else's that has become one of the richest people in the world 
by selling the data people give him!

What software would be needed?

An easy to use, do it yourself public page editor, where you publish 
text, photos, videos, whatever you feel like sharing with the others. 
And instead of typing "facebook" you type the id of the person you want 
to visit.

Yes, the machine should be running 24H a day so anyone that wants to 
visit you can do it without your intervention. Or you could be near the 
machine and start speaking with the personn  that is visiting you (a 
microphone is quite cheap) and even you can have a video phone call with 
your friends.

Deevelopping such an app would be fun... and it could have incredibly 
good consequences: a social network machine where YOU are again at the 
helm of the machine and not the other way around.

And I still do not understand why we do not have a linux phone.

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#857

Dear Jacob,

Interesting idea to build a social network with credit card sized machines. Would be really nice and people will have really better privacy for sure. 
Since you asked why we don't have it I will give you some problem points that this idea should solve.

First, free lures. Even if we all know nothing is free in this life. If you do not pay with money then you pay with something else (in Facebook case with your private information.) People will choose the free option.
The cost can be solved with integrated servers to the routers that are free (this time because you subscribed to the internet service provider).
We can have this piece of server integrated on routers that are anyways 24/7 on and connected.

Second, any good social network server we will have in our house is good for today and not for tomorrow so it needs to be updated. Who will update it and how to deploy it. We need central management of all apps (ios, android) and websites (desktop, tablet, etc.) synchronized and updated regularly. 
No free solution can win the battle to facebook. (If you are not planning to ban it)

What is more, people are lazy. Probably even you and me just emailed the document (meaning giving a copy to google) to next room instead of sending the file by usb (more secure). So the solution should be even easier than facebook to share or no sharing will happen at all.

Finding friends will get harder. You need a centralized database (or kind of a blockchain) to search for friends. Don't forget how facebook sent you thousands of email to take you from emails to facebook. In time you forget your inbox and start your day with facebook. (you means not you especially)

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#858

On 2018-04-24, Mustafa Cihan <musdogru@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Jacob,
>
> Interesting idea to build a social network with credit card sized machines.
> Would be really nice and people will have really better privacy for sure. 
> Since you asked why we don't have it I will give you some problem points
> that this idea should solve.
>
> First, free lures. Even if we all know nothing is free in this life. If you
> do not pay with money then you pay with something else (in Facebook case with
> your private information.) People will choose the free option. The cost can
> be solved with integrated servers to the routers that are free (this time
> because you subscribed to the internet service provider). We can have this
> piece of server integrated on routers that are anyways 24/7 on and connected.
>
> Second, any good social network server we will have in our house is good for
> today and not for tomorrow so it needs to be updated. Who will update it and
> how to deploy it. We need central management of all apps (ios, android) and
> websites (desktop, tablet, etc.) synchronized and updated regularly. 

Since this takes us back to a monopoly, just like Facebook, it isn't really
a solution.  The original intent of the Internet - peers passing data to
each other without a centralized point of control - should be revived.
Groups like this one (i.e. Usenet) keep the dream alive.  In theory, so
does e-mail - although consolidation into a few huge providers (e.g. gmail,
Yahoo, etc.) again shows a disturbing trend toward monopolization.

> No free solution can win the battle to facebook. (If you are not planning
> to ban it)
>
> What is more, people are lazy. Probably even you and me just emailed the
> document (meaning giving a copy to google) to next room instead of sending
> the file by usb (more secure). So the solution should be even easier than
> facebook to share or no sharing will happen at all.

Convenience (or, more accurately, the perception of convenience) is one of
the most powerful tools for manipulating people.  As long as users are willing
to drink the Kool-Aid, there isn't a lot we can do.  Those of us who care must
be willing to make the slight effort required to maintain independence.  (And
no, I don't have a Facebook account, and I wouldn't even know how to tweet.
I find enough social interactions elsewhere.)

> Finding friends will get harder. You need a centralized database (or kind
> of a blockchain) to search for friends. Don't forget how facebook sent you
> thousands of email to take you from emails to facebook. In time you forget
> your inbox and start your day with facebook. (you means not you especially)

Again, it's seen as an excuse for the rise of monopolies.  Finding friends in
the real world has never been easy either.  And in both places, if you depend
on being handed a prepackaged group of "friends", you're going to get burned.

Much of the malaise of the 21st century is due to the fact that people are
unwilling to do anything for themselves.  This has been true through history,
but modern technology has eliminated the reality checks that usually kept it
from becoming a problem.  On the other hand, history tells us many stories
where denial of reality has spread throughout a society.  This is usually
quickly followed by the collapse of that society.

-- 
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 X   Top-posted messages will probably be ignored.  See RFC1855.
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#859

Le 24/04/2018 à 18:05, Mustafa Cihan a écrit :
> Dear Jacob,
> 
> Interesting idea to build a social network with credit card sized machines. Would be really nice and people will have really better privacy for sure.
> Since you asked why we don't have it I will give you some problem points that this idea should solve.
> 
> First, free lures. Even if we all know nothing is free in this life. If you do not pay with money then you pay with something else (in Facebook case with your private information.) People will choose the free option.

Look, people weren't AWARE that facebook was stealing their data. Now 
they are, and many people are signing off facebook. The linux system 
would be for THOSE people at first (geeks, like we are).

THEN, when the machine has spread and has some momentum, other less 
"geeky" people would start using it since it is very cheap. People do 
buy portable phones, computers, etc.

> The cost can be solved with integrated servers to the routers that are free (this time because you subscribed to the internet service provider).
> We can have this piece of server integrated on routers that are anyways 24/7 on and connected.
> 
> Second, any good social network server we will have in our house is good for today and not for tomorrow so it needs to be updated. Who will update it and how to deploy it. We need central management of all apps (ios, android) and websites (desktop, tablet, etc.) synchronized and updated regularly.


This is already done by

apt-get upgrade

isn't it???

No AUTOMATIC upgrades but maybe a cron job that would put a reminder 
each week?

Doesn't look like rocket science to me...


> No free solution can win the battle to facebook. (If you are not planning to ban it)
> 

Linux has thrived since more than 20 years in a world of commercial 
OSes. A linux solution could be done without a lot of problems.


> What is more, people are lazy. Probably even you and me just emailed the document (meaning giving a copy to google) to next room instead of sending the file by usb (more secure). So the solution should be even easier than facebook to share or no sharing will happen at all.
> 

Since people are "lazy", if linux offers a simple solution (you can 
email easily from your linux PC to anyone without anyone receiving a 
copy besides the person you want) people will use it!



> Finding friends will get harder. You need a centralized database (or kind of a blockchain) to search for friends. Don't forget how facebook sent you thousands of email to take you from emails to facebook. In time you forget your inbox and start your day with facebook. (you means not you especially)
> 

The same thing will happen when you have your linux computer. You 
forget about facebook and start your day  with your inbox.

How did facebook start?

Because geek people adopted it. If the geek start really pushing a Linux 
solution it will work.

How do you search for friends?

You search an open database where you put

Name
Email
Interests

Since that database is public, it is also accessible to spammers and 
commercial interests, but that is KNOWN and you put into THAT database 
only data you know is harmless and you want to make public!

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#860

On 2018-04-10, jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
> Why you need facebook?
>
> To share photos, messages, whatever with your friends.
>
> A machine that is accessible using TCP/IP can do all that without any 
> social network. You give your friends your address (or tcpip ID) and you 
> can share anything in digital form with them. You can visit discussion 
> forums held in your machine or in some friend's machine.

This is not new.

https://friendi.ca/

-- 
     ت

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#868

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 23:37:34 +0200
jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
> Why you need facebook?
> 
> To share photos, messages, whatever with your friends.
> 
> A machine that is accessible using TCP/IP can do all that without any 
> social network. You give your friends your address (or tcpip ID) and you 
> can share anything in digital form with them. You can visit discussion 
> forums held in your machine or in some friend's machine.

Don't you need a stead IP address for this ? I don't know how ISPs assign
IP addresses but mine has changed a few times over the years.

[...]

> TCP/IP is decentralized, and can handle the construction of networks of 
> friends, or people interested in sharing data/stories, whatever.

Is it decentralized ? Don't most people need an ISP ? How many ISPs are
in a country ? I would imagine in most countries there are few enough to
get in cahoots about whatever suits them but not necessarily their users.

[...]

> And I still do not understand why we do not have a linux phone.

Did you try googling for "linux phones" ?

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#1073

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 23:37:34 +0200
jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:

> Why you need facebook?
> 
> To share photos, messages, whatever with your friends.
> 
> A machine that is accessible using TCP/IP can do all that without any 
> social network. You give your friends your address (or tcpip ID) and
> you can share anything in digital form with them. You can visit
> discussion forums held in your machine or in some friend's machine.
> 
> Linux can do all that. It is able to store images, and display them
> to any browser that happens to request it.
> 
> Instead of giving your data to an organization that will sell it to 
> advertisers, you can build your own site and share ideas or whatever 
> with your friends. Directly, without any one else intervening.
> 
> What about a "node" machine, the size of a credit card?
> 
> I am running linux in an ARM64, the size of a credit card. Using a
> cheap 1TB SSD, the thing runs incredibly well. And could be a good FB
> replacement!
> 
> Social networks are an industry that is inherently dangerous if
> centralized.
> 
> TCP/IP is decentralized, and can handle the construction of networks
> of friends, or people interested in sharing data/stories, whatever.
> 
> Networks that do not lead into a centralized nightmare where the guys 
> behind the scenes sell the data to advertisers.
> 
> Just networks of people, without any central store.
> 
> This kind of networks would be straight networking: nothing more. All 
> the data is decentralized in each machine, and it is your property,
> not somebody else's that has become one of the richest people in the
> world by selling the data people give him!
> 
> What software would be needed?
> 
> An easy to use, do it yourself public page editor, where you publish 
> text, photos, videos, whatever you feel like sharing with the others. 
> And instead of typing "facebook" you type the id of the person you
> want to visit.
> 
> Yes, the machine should be running 24H a day so anyone that wants to 
> visit you can do it without your intervention. Or you could be near
> the machine and start speaking with the personn  that is visiting you
> (a microphone is quite cheap) and even you can have a video phone
> call with your friends.
> 
> Deevelopping such an app would be fun... and it could have incredibly 
> good consequences: a social network machine where YOU are again at
> the helm of the machine and not the other way around.
> 
> And I still do not understand why we do not have a linux phone.

ah... that was in fact from the tenth of April 2018 instead of 2024. My
bad for the thread necromancy.

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#1074

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 23:37:34 +0200
jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:

> Why you need facebook?
> 
> To share photos, messages, whatever with your friends.
> 
> A machine that is accessible using TCP/IP can do all that without any 
> social network. You give your friends your address (or tcpip ID) and
> you can share anything in digital form with them. You can visit
> discussion forums held in your machine or in some friend's machine.
> 
> Linux can do all that. It is able to store images, and display them
> to any browser that happens to request it.
> 
> Instead of giving your data to an organization that will sell it to 
> advertisers, you can build your own site and share ideas or whatever 
> with your friends. Directly, without any one else intervening.
> 
> What about a "node" machine, the size of a credit card?
> 
> I am running linux in an ARM64, the size of a credit card. Using a
> cheap 1TB SSD, the thing runs incredibly well. And could be a good FB
> replacement!
> 
> Social networks are an industry that is inherently dangerous if
> centralized.
> 
> TCP/IP is decentralized, and can handle the construction of networks
> of friends, or people interested in sharing data/stories, whatever.
> 
> Networks that do not lead into a centralized nightmare where the guys 
> behind the scenes sell the data to advertisers.
> 
> Just networks of people, without any central store.
> 
> This kind of networks would be straight networking: nothing more. All 
> the data is decentralized in each machine, and it is your property,
> not somebody else's that has become one of the richest people in the
> world by selling the data people give him!
> 
> What software would be needed?
> 
> An easy to use, do it yourself public page editor, where you publish 
> text, photos, videos, whatever you feel like sharing with the others. 
> And instead of typing "facebook" you type the id of the person you
> want to visit.
> 
> Yes, the machine should be running 24H a day so anyone that wants to 
> visit you can do it without your intervention. Or you could be near
> the machine and start speaking with the personn  that is visiting you
> (a microphone is quite cheap) and even you can have a video phone
> call with your friends.
> 
> Deevelopping such an app would be fun... and it could have incredibly 
> good consequences: a social network machine where YOU are again at
> the helm of the machine and not the other way around.
> 
> And I still do not understand why we do not have a linux phone.

You might be interested to have a look at the tilde scene, which tries
to bring back the times when people had access to shared computers.

Or you can look at nextcloud, which has filesharing, chat, video
conferencing, webmail, and a few other things inbuilt (I ran it from my
rp3b+ and it was sluggish bur principally worked). That could work as a
small social site for friends and family.

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#1075

W dniu 12.04.2024 o 15:14, Kyonshi pisze:
> And I still do not understand why we do not have a linux phone.

There is Linux Mobile Phone:

<https://puri.sm/>

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