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Re: How Google tracks Android device users before they've even opened an app

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On 17 Mar 2025, Marion <marion@facts.com> posted some
news:vra277$2neh$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com: 

> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:04:52 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote :
> 
> 
>>> But if you mean that privacy isn't a term to be assumed when using
>>> any computer, or worse, any phone... then I can't disagree with that
>>> statement. 
>> 
>> That's what I intended. I know nothing about iOS except that it's an 
>> "unknown unknown" (or maybe that should be a "known unknown" as we
>> know we know nothing of what goes on under the hood!).
> 
> I've had iOS and Android devices since forever, where iOS is "safer"
> out of the box in terms of privacy but iOS is a toy compared to
> Android. 
> 
> For example, the Tor browser isn't allowed on iOS, but it's on every
> other platform, including the Mac. Another example is GPS spoofing
> isn't allowed on iOS. Another example is system-wide firewalls aren't
> allowed on iOS. 

Unknown to many iPhone users the Wi-Fi exploit still exists.  I will 
shamelessly admit to taking advantage of iPhone users in airports for 
years.

> Probably 1 out of a million people know that above, none of whom are
> editors of the major magazines since they only spout the propaganda.
> 
> But probably the biggest flaw in privacy with iOS is you can't
> download and install apps without logging into the Apple servers and -
> only one out of ten million people are aware that your *unique*
> tracking ID is *inserted* by Apple into every downloaded IPA. Which is
> really very bad for privacy. 

That's terrible and none of their business. 

> But only one out of millions knows this privacy stuff. Now you do too!
> :) 
> 
>>> Privacy is like cleanliness.
>>> There are degrees of privacy.
>> 
>> Indeed. The problem with Android is that there are aspects of privacy
>> we can, and /should/ be responsible for, but we can't know it all.
>> When we do know about it - such as the DSID cookie - we can do
>> something about it. 
> 
> Well, most people (again, 999,999 out of a million) assume you can't
> have privacy which is like assuming you can't have clean teeth - so
> you don't brush. 
> 
> Hitting that "skip" button on Android is the single most effect step
> to privacy from Google. How many people know this? Probably just you &
> me. :( 

Agree, but do the OS updates.  

> The good news is the phone becomes 10X more functional when you do it.
> :) 
> 
>>> Given that's dead wrong, how can you believe anything in that
>>> article? 
>> 
>> I don't know that it's dead wrong. Once you've hit that Google
>> Account button, are you asked for consent? Or is it just assumed or
>> perhaps hidden in thousands of words in "Privacy Statements" or
>> "Terms and Conditions"? Are you sure that Google doesn't store other
>> data silently on Android phones? See above GrapheneOS comment about
>> "open source" 
> 
> Well... OK. The "consent" part is up to the lawyers to figure out. 
> 
> If there truly is no consent whatsoever, I'm sure some class-action
> lawyer is on it by now, right? So we don't have to worry about that
> for now. :) 
> 
>> But, yes, you have to be careful of such articles. Journalism has a 
>> responsibility for accuracy which unfortunately can be lacking. :-(
> 
> I've never read an article about privacy on the Internet that
> understood even the most basic things, whether it's Apple or Android
> or Windows. 

There's marketing and then there's exploitive marketing.
 
> They all spout propaganda.
> Even AI spouts propaganda!
>  Day 1: <https://i.postimg.cc/2SyDDk91/apple-battery-propaganda.jpg>
>  Day 2: <https://i.postimg.cc/9QYqvBSm/one-day-later.jpg>
> 
> The good news is that AI will change its mind when it's fed the facts.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/6ppvxZNC/working-together.jpg>
> 
> Most people can't change their mind because they get all their
> "science" from marketing propaganda (e.g., ask anyone which has better
> support). <https://i.postimg.cc/d0m2BKZZ/ai01.jpg> Who has the worst
> hotfix support? <https://i.postimg.cc/6qSn3Wgg/ai02.jpg> Not
> propaganda, but in writing? <https://i.postimg.cc/4N7p0chg/ai03.jpg>
> What's Apple's written promise? 
> <https://i.postimg.cc/MKC1JGyj/ai04.jpg> Who has the longest support? 
> <https://i.postimg.cc/d0BCCmg8/ai05.jpg> So is Apple's support the
> worst? <https://i.postimg.cc/PxV83fXJ/ai06.jpg> Whose is longest &
> shortest? <https://i.postimg.cc/FsHhFbVM/ai07.jpg> Have you read my
> factual cites? <https://i.postimg.cc/rm5wW8D7/ai08.jpg> Which OS is
> most exploited? <https://i.postimg.cc/GmZRjWnR/ai09.jpg> Why are
> iPhones most exploited? <https://i.postimg.cc/PxMkTNpf/ai10.jpg>
> Summarize iOS vs Android support. 
> 
>>> The first step in breaking free, is to hit that "skip" button.
>>> That alone, gives you more privacy than you could possibly imagine.
>> 
>> Well, yes, but "*more* privacy" isn't "privacy".
> 
> Agreed.
> It's kind of like brushing your teeth. They're never gonna be sterile.
> 
> But it's better to do something to have some privacy than doing
> nothing at all and therefore having none. But we can't complain we
> can't, if we won't. 

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  Re: How Google tracks Android device users before they've even opened an app CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-18 10:56 -0400

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