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  Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-10-31 20:40 +0300
    Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-31 16:09 -0400
      Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-10-31 20:53 +0000
        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros artie <artie.m@gNOSPAMmail.com> - 2015-10-31 14:12 -0700
      Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-31 22:27 +0000
        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-11-01 04:37 +0000
          Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2015-11-01 22:44 +0000
            Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-01 23:54 +0000
              Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-02 13:17 +0000
                Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-02 15:35 +0000
                  Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-11-02 08:36 -0800
                    Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-02 17:37 +0000
                  Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-11-02 17:28 +0000
                  Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-11-04 01:28 +0000
                  Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 12:08 -0500
                Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 07:17 +1100
                  Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-03 12:54 +0000
                    Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 08:06 +1100
                Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-02 20:48 +0000
                  Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-03 12:54 +0000
                    Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-03 13:01 +0000
                      Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-03 19:27 +0000
                        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-04 11:04 +0000
                          Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-04 23:48 +0000
                        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 12:12 -0500
                          Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros     wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) - 2015-11-11 12:35 -0800
                            Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-11-11 23:11 -0400
                            Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-12 15:31 +0000
                            Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-11-12 18:41 +0100
                      Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-04 13:52 +0000
                        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-11-04 15:00 +0000
                        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 08:56 +1100
        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-11-01 11:58 +0000
          Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-11 12:15 -0500
            Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-12 00:40 +0000
      Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-02 14:29 +0000
        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-02 09:06 -0600
          Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "D. Aaron Sawyer" <aaron@110.net> - 2015-11-02 10:10 -0500
            Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-02 09:27 -0600
            Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-02 15:35 +0000
          Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-11-02 19:21 +0000
    Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-31 15:26 -0500
      Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2015-10-31 22:32 +0000
        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-31 20:47 -0400
      Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-11-02 11:05 +0000
        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2015-11-02 14:33 +0300
        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-11-02 15:12 -0600
    Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2017-05-04 10:40 +0000
      Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 10:53 +0000
        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2017-05-05 13:44 +0200
      Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2017-05-05 01:15 +0100
        Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 04:29 -0400
          Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-05-05 09:49 +0100
          Re: Last Voyager engineer retires, NASA needs Fortran/Algol pros Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2017-05-05 13:10 +0200

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#9345

"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:PM000523A25DF150C4@aca41ca4.ipt.aol.com...
> gareth wrote:
>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:PM0005238E8B991D92@aca41e6b.ipt.aol.com...
>>> gareth wrote:
>>>> "Roger Blake" <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:20151101174450@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On 2015-11-01, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I saw one a month or two ago for a company in LA or San Diego for a
>>>>>> company looking for MACRO-11 programmers.  I don't understand how 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> company has survived this long.  I figure someone retired.  They're
>>>>>> supposedly porting to something else, but at the same time, they're
>>>>>> generating NEW MACRO-11 code?!?
>>>>> A lifetime ago I used to practically generate MACRO-11 code in my 
>>>>> sleep.
>>>>> I'm surprised there's still a demand for that sort of thing, but 
>>>>> really
>>>>> have
>>>>> no wish to go back to it at this point.
>>>> I don't see why not, because the language in which a project is coded
>>>> is somewhat irrelevant following a competent design.
>>> That's simply not true.  A design is constrained by the machine
>>> lanuguage the software runs on.
>> Selecting a machine that will not run the program is a significant
>> failure of system design.
> Not all software projects include buying the hardware.  Most projects
> already had the computer system.

Then it displays a fundamental lack of competence to design a program that 
will
not run on the target machine.

It remains for me, that whatever program I design, it will run whether coded 
in
machine code, assembly language, FORTRAN, RTL/2, CORAL, C, Pascal,
FORTH, CRAP, SOAS, or any of a myriad other languages that I have used. 

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#9351

On 03/11/2015 13:01, gareth wrote:
> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:PM000523A25DF150C4@aca41ca4.ipt.aol.com...
>> gareth wrote:
>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:PM0005238E8B991D92@aca41e6b.ipt.aol.com...
>>>> gareth wrote:
>>>>> "Roger Blake" <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:20151101174450@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> On 2015-11-01, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I saw one a month or two ago for a company in LA or San Diego for a
>>>>>>> company looking for MACRO-11 programmers.  I don't understand how
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> company has survived this long.  I figure someone retired.  They're
>>>>>>> supposedly porting to something else, but at the same time, they're
>>>>>>> generating NEW MACRO-11 code?!?
>>>>>> A lifetime ago I used to practically generate MACRO-11 code in my
>>>>>> sleep.
>>>>>> I'm surprised there's still a demand for that sort of thing, but
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> no wish to go back to it at this point.
>>>>> I don't see why not, because the language in which a project is coded
>>>>> is somewhat irrelevant following a competent design.
>>>> That's simply not true.  A design is constrained by the machine
>>>> lanuguage the software runs on.
>>> Selecting a machine that will not run the program is a significant
>>> failure of system design.
>> Not all software projects include buying the hardware.  Most projects
>> already had the computer system.
>
> Then it displays a fundamental lack of competence to design a program that
> will
> not run on the target machine.
>
> It remains for me, that whatever program I design, it will run whether coded
> in
> machine code, assembly language, FORTRAN, RTL/2, CORAL, C, Pascal,
> FORTH, CRAP, SOAS, or any of a myriad other languages that I have used.
>
>

So you were only allowed to work on simple projects. Bigger projects may 
involve constructing the buildings to house the computers in several 
different countries.

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#9372

"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:YMmdnXvJaOLal6TLnZ2dnUU78UudnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 03/11/2015 13:01, gareth wrote:
>> It remains for me, that whatever program I design, it will run whether 
>> coded
>> in
>> machine code, assembly language, FORTRAN, RTL/2, CORAL, C, Pascal,
>> FORTH, CRAP, SOAS, or any of a myriad other languages that I have used.
>
> So you were only allowed to work on simple projects. Bigger projects may 
> involve constructing the buildings to house the computers in several 
> different countries.

Those exhibiting Builders' Bums do not get to design programs.

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#9399

On 04/11/2015 11:04, gareth wrote:
> "Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:YMmdnXvJaOLal6TLnZ2dnUU78UudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 03/11/2015 13:01, gareth wrote:
>>> It remains for me, that whatever program I design, it will run whether
>>> coded
>>> in
>>> machine code, assembly language, FORTRAN, RTL/2, CORAL, C, Pascal,
>>> FORTH, CRAP, SOAS, or any of a myriad other languages that I have used.
>>
>> So you were only allowed to work on simple projects. Bigger projects may
>> involve constructing the buildings to house the computers in several
>> different countries.
>
> Those exhibiting Builders' Bums do not get to design programs.
>
>
They do get to project manage the programmers.

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#9468

In article <YMmdnXvJaOLal6TLnZ2dnUU78UudnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 03/11/2015 13:01, gareth wrote:
> > "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:PM000523A25DF150C4@aca41ca4.ipt.aol.com...
> >> gareth wrote:
> >>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:PM0005238E8B991D92@aca41e6b.ipt.aol.com...
> >>>> gareth wrote:
> >>>>> "Roger Blake" <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:20151101174450@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>>>> On 2015-11-01, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> I saw one a month or two ago for a company in LA or San Diego for a
> >>>>>>> company looking for MACRO-11 programmers.  I don't understand how
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> company has survived this long.  I figure someone retired.  They're
> >>>>>>> supposedly porting to something else, but at the same time, they're
> >>>>>>> generating NEW MACRO-11 code?!?
> >>>>>> A lifetime ago I used to practically generate MACRO-11 code in my
> >>>>>> sleep.
> >>>>>> I'm surprised there's still a demand for that sort of thing, but
> >>>>>> really
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> no wish to go back to it at this point.
> >>>>> I don't see why not, because the language in which a project is coded
> >>>>> is somewhat irrelevant following a competent design.
> >>>> That's simply not true.  A design is constrained by the machine
> >>>> lanuguage the software runs on.
> >>> Selecting a machine that will not run the program is a significant
> >>> failure of system design.
> >> Not all software projects include buying the hardware.  Most projects
> >> already had the computer system.
> >
> > Then it displays a fundamental lack of competence to design a program that
> > will
> > not run on the target machine.
> >
> > It remains for me, that whatever program I design, it will run whether coded
> > in
> > machine code, assembly language, FORTRAN, RTL/2, CORAL, C, Pascal,
> > FORTH, CRAP, SOAS, or any of a myriad other languages that I have used.
> >
> >
> 
> So you were only allowed to work on simple projects. Bigger projects may 
> involve constructing the buildings to house the computers in several 
> different countries.

And we are talking about a confuser on a spacecraft launched long, 
long ago (in confuser years) by a much different country. The past 
*is* a different country.

-- 
Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greed. Me.

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#9476

Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
> And we are talking about a confuser on a spacecraft launched long, 
> long ago (in confuser years) by a much different country. The past 
> *is* a different country.

Brings to mind the old guidline: comment your code as though
you were writing it to be understood by a complete stranger,
because six months from now you will *be* that stranger.

-- 
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#9480

On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:35:02 -0800 (PST), wje@acm.org (Bill Evans)
wrote:

> Brings to mind the old guidline: comment your code as though
> you were writing it to be understood by a complete stranger,
> because six months from now you will *be* that stranger.

I said pretty much the same thing in my book on sewing.

I had a terrible time, once, identifying the "floral linen" one
pattern said it had been made up in.  I should have labeled it
"damask".

-- 
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/

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#9488

wje@acm.org (Bill Evans) writes:
>Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
>> And we are talking about a confuser on a spacecraft launched long, 
>> long ago (in confuser years) by a much different country. The past 
>> *is* a different country.
>
>Brings to mind the old guidline: comment your code as though
>you were writing it to be understood by a complete stranger,
>because six months from now you will *be* that stranger.

And the longer you program, the shorter that six months becomes :-(

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#9490

On 2015-11-11, Bill Evans <wje@acm.org> wrote:
> Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
>> And we are talking about a confuser on a spacecraft launched long, 
>> long ago (in confuser years) by a much different country. The past 
>> *is* a different country.
>
> Brings to mind the old guidline: comment your code as though
> you were writing it to be understood by a complete stranger,
> because six months from now you will *be* that stranger.

I used to spend a lot of time at customer sites, so the ability to be
understood by someone else was firmly in the job description.  I
*really* didn't want to get called back at some point in the future due
to having left some incomprehensible code in place.

-- 
Should not the Society of Indexers be know as Indexers, Society of, The?
                                                     -- Keith Waterhouse

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#9376

gareth wrote:
> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:PM000523A25DF150C4@aca41ca4.ipt.aol.com...
>> gareth wrote:
>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:PM0005238E8B991D92@aca41e6b.ipt.aol.com...
>>>> gareth wrote:
>>>>> "Roger Blake" <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:20151101174450@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> On 2015-11-01, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I saw one a month or two ago for a company in LA or San Diego for a
>>>>>>> company looking for MACRO-11 programmers.  I don't understand how
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> company has survived this long.  I figure someone retired.  They're
>>>>>>> supposedly porting to something else, but at the same time, they're
>>>>>>> generating NEW MACRO-11 code?!?
>>>>>> A lifetime ago I used to practically generate MACRO-11 code in my
>>>>>> sleep.
>>>>>> I'm surprised there's still a demand for that sort of thing, but
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> no wish to go back to it at this point.
>>>>> I don't see why not, because the language in which a project is coded
>>>>> is somewhat irrelevant following a competent design.
>>>> That's simply not true.  A design is constrained by the machine
>>>> lanuguage the software runs on.
>>> Selecting a machine that will not run the program is a significant
>>> failure of system design.
>> Not all software projects include buying the hardware.  Most projects
>> already had the computer system.
>
> Then it displays a fundamental lack of competence to design a program that
> will
> not run on the target machine.
>
> It remains for me, that whatever program I design, it will run whether coded
> in
> machine code, assembly language, FORTRAN, RTL/2, CORAL, C, Pascal,
> FORTH, CRAP, SOAS, or any of a myriad other languages that I have used.

And the OS developers of this biz made it possible for you to be able to
do your coding job.  The language developers made it possible so you
didn't have to think about the hardware.  All of these people had to do
designs which had tradeoffs determined by the computing environment so
that you wouldn't have to.

/BAH

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#9379

"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:PM000523B77150A949@aca40489.ipt.aol.com...
>
> And the OS developers of this biz made it possible for you to be able to
> do your coding job.

Not so, for I work with the native machine by preference.

>  The language developers made it possible so you
> didn't have to think about the hardware.

I always think about the hardware, having started out as a radio ham and 
then
qualifying in electronics with a specialisation in computer design.

With one exception 25 years ago which was a data base for a book publisher, 
all my projects
have been hardware related. Any real computer scientist worthy of the name
is fully au fait with how a computer works, anyway.

>  All of these people had to do
> designs which had tradeoffs determined by the computing environment so
> that you wouldn't have to.

A non-sequitur.

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#9395

"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:PM000523B77150A949@aca40489.ipt.aol.com...
> gareth wrote:
>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:PM000523A25DF150C4@aca41ca4.ipt.aol.com...
>>> gareth wrote:
>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:PM0005238E8B991D92@aca41e6b.ipt.aol.com...
>>>>> gareth wrote:
>>>>>> "Roger Blake" <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:20151101174450@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> On 2015-11-01, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I saw one a month or two ago for a company in LA or San Diego for a
>>>>>>>> company looking for MACRO-11 programmers.  I don't understand how
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> company has survived this long.  I figure someone retired.  They're
>>>>>>>> supposedly porting to something else, but at the same time, they're
>>>>>>>> generating NEW MACRO-11 code?!?
>>>>>>> A lifetime ago I used to practically generate MACRO-11 code in my
>>>>>>> sleep.
>>>>>>> I'm surprised there's still a demand for that sort of thing, but
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> no wish to go back to it at this point.
>>>>>> I don't see why not, because the language in which a project is coded
>>>>>> is somewhat irrelevant following a competent design.
>>>>> That's simply not true.  A design is constrained by the machine
>>>>> lanuguage the software runs on.
>>>> Selecting a machine that will not run the program is a significant
>>>> failure of system design.
>>> Not all software projects include buying the hardware.  Most projects
>>> already had the computer system.
>>
>> Then it displays a fundamental lack of competence to design a program 
>> that
>> will
>> not run on the target machine.
>>
>> It remains for me, that whatever program I design, it will run whether 
>> coded
>> in
>> machine code, assembly language, FORTRAN, RTL/2, CORAL, C, Pascal,
>> FORTH, CRAP, SOAS, or any of a myriad other languages that I have used.
>
> And the OS developers of this biz made it possible for you to be able to
> do your coding job.

Wrong again. I used no OS on the PDP8S, the serial one, that
I used to measure fluorescent decay to below 1ns levels.

> The language developers made it possible so
> you didn't have to think about the hardware.

I didn’t use any language, I used assembler.

> All of these people had to do designs which
> had tradeoffs determined by the computing
> environment so that you wouldn't have to.

They in fact designed the hardware so that it would
do a decent job with any of the commonly used
languages used in that segment of the industry.

And fucked that up pretty comprehensively too
at times like when DEC concentrated on Focal
instead of Basic for various reasons etc. 

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#9285

On 2015-10-31, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> In comp.misc Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> > For me the most interesting thing is the comment that the younger tech 
>> > staff don't *want* to learn the languages this project now requires.  
>> > Pathetic.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/30/has_voyager_1_escaped_the_sun_yet_yes_but_also_no_say_boffins/
>> > 
>> > 
>> > //--clip
>> > Boffins have debated whether Voyager 1 has left the Solar System
>> > for a few years now, after NASAdeclared it could no longer detect
>> > direct evidence of the solar wind. The absence of the stream of
>> > particles hurtling out from the sun was taken as evidence Voyager 1
>> > had left the solar system and entered the interstellar medium. But
>> > after revisiting Voyager data, the new paper suggests some odd
>> > magnetic field readings mean the probe is passing through ?a more
>> > distorted magnetic field just outside the heliopause, which is the
>> > boundary between the solar wind and the interstellar medium.?
>> > /--clip
>> > 
>> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/31/brush_up_on_your_fortran/
>> > 
>> > //--clip
>> > In an interview with Popular Mechanics, the manager of NASA's
>> > Voyager program Suzanne Dodd said the retirement of the last
>> > original crew member has left the space agency with a shortage of
>> > people capable of communicating with the 40-year-old craft.
>
>> I can't believe that no one "wants to."  What I would believe is that
>> NASA is not willing to take someone with enthusiasm but no experience
>> with this specific hardware and train them.  Like most employers they
>> want someone who can step into a position with no learning period.
>
> This is most likely the exact reason.  The new standard of "the new
> hire must come fully trained for _our_ particular stuff".  How
> companies that expect this manage to hire anyone at all is amazing.
>
>

In this country, in non-computer areas, it usually means "I want this job for a
particular person, but we have to advertise"


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#9469

In article <slrnn3bv7b.34l.mausg@dmaus.org>,
 Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:

> In this country, in non-computer areas, it usually means "I want this job for 
> a
> particular person, but we have to advertise"

In America for computer jobs also. Ads may require 5 years experience
for an environment that was just released less than a year ago. Ergo, 
the fix is in.

-- 
Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greed. Me.

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#9477

On 11/11/2015 17:15, Walter Bushell wrote:
> In article <slrnn3bv7b.34l.mausg@dmaus.org>,
>   Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> In this country, in non-computer areas, it usually means "I want this job for
>> a
>> particular person, but we have to advertise"
>
> In America for computer jobs also. Ads may require 5 years experience
> for an environment that was just released less than a year ago. Ergo,
> the fix is in.
>
Or the manager is having to recruit despite the anti-personal department.

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#9323

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

>> In an interview with Popular Mechanics, the manager of NASA's Voyager 
>> program Suzanne Dodd said the retirement of the last original crew 
>> member has left the space agency with a shortage of people capable of 
>> communicating with the 40-year-old craft.
>
>I can't believe that no one "wants to."  What I would believe is that NASA
>is not willing to take someone with enthusiasm but no experience with this
>specific hardware and train them.  Like most employers they want someone
>who can step into a position with no learning period.

Let's see:

   Hand the first:   A job at Google/Twitter/FB/LI using modern technology and getting
                     paid beaucoup bux.

   Hand the second:  A job at NASA working with dead technology and getting
                     paid close to zilch.

Seems an easy choice.

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#9324

"Scott Lurndal" wrote:

> Let's see:
>
>   Hand the first:   A job at Google/Twitter/FB/LI using modern technology 
> and getting
>                     paid beaucoup bux.
>
>   Hand the second:  A job at NASA working with dead technology and getting
>                     paid close to zilch.
>
> Seems an easy choice.

I have the feeling that anyone over 30 years old automatically has about 10 
strikes against him on your first list. So any one person isn't given the 
choice you imply.

BTW, what is LI? 

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#9325

On 2015.11.02 10:06, Osmium wrote:
> "Scott Lurndal" wrote:
>
>> Let's see:
>>
>>   Hand the first:   A job at Google/Twitter/FB/LI using modern technology and getting
>>                     paid beaucoup bux.
>>
>>   Hand the second:  A job at NASA working with dead technology and getting
>>                     paid close to zilch.
>>
>> Seems an easy choice.
>
> I have the feeling that anyone over 30 years old automatically has about 10 strikes against him on your first list. So
> any one person isn't given the choice you imply.
>
> BTW, what is LI?

LinkedIn - the "professional" social network (a higher^H^H^H^H^H^Hmore nearly literate class of spam, IME)
https://www.linkedin.com/

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#9326

"D. Aaron Sawyer" wrote:

> On 2015.11.02 10:06, Osmium wrote:
>> BTW, what is LI?
>
> LinkedIn - the "professional" social network (a higher^H^H^H^H^H^Hmore 
> nearly literate class of spam, IME)

Thanks.  Those damned people did an amazing job of data mining on me.  They 
presented me with the name of a woman I know in my personal life and said 
"Wouldn't you like to talk to her?".  I absolutely can not imagine a linkage 
they could find.  But they did. I also get similar messages for professional 
associates I know, but I can understand those.

I only signed up at my niece's request.  She asked me to "friend" her, or 
whatever they call it, so she could glow brighter. She recently got a new 
degree. 

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#9327

On 02/11/2015 15:10, D. Aaron Sawyer wrote:
> On 2015.11.02 10:06, Osmium wrote:

>> BTW, what is LI?
>
> LinkedIn - the "professional" social network (a higher^H^H^H^H^H^Hmore
> nearly literate class of spam, IME)
> https://www.linkedin.com/
>

And all this time I thought it was Linkedln.

-- 
Bartc

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