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| Started by | Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> |
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| First post | 2025-02-16 16:55 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-02-26 21:21 -0300 |
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Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> - 2025-02-16 16:55 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-16 21:23 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-16 23:55 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 11:40 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 09:26 -0800
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:42 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-17 22:23 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:20 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-19 07:32 +1000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-02-18 23:47 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-19 09:42 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-06 07:10 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 20:44 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:44 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-20 08:23 +1000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 22:22 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 15:55 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 17:59 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:01 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 22:51 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:01 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:29 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 22:55 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 05:19 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 13:28 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 10:55 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 13:34 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:15 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 23:06 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:10 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 10:08 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 23:12 +0100
OT: walking and exercising (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:31 -0300
Re: OT: walking and exercising (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:52 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-02-27 21:40 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-01 11:48 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-05 06:40 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-05 13:39 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-05 20:00 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-05 22:12 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 17:54 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:41 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-24 23:19 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:16 +0100
education Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-06 07:55 +0000
Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 22:00 -0300
Re: education Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-08 03:47 +0000
Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 18:27 -0300
Re: education Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-09 02:08 +0000
Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 02:58 -0300
Re: education Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-10 18:38 +0000
Re: education cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-10 19:13 +0000
Re: education Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-11 13:30 +0000
Re: education Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 11:17 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-25 19:12 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 02:08 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-02-26 09:06 -0600
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-02-26 18:09 -0400
the command line is language (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:46 -0300
Re: the command line is language (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-02-27 03:31 -0400
Re: the command line is language Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 08:10 -0300
Re: the command line is language D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:41 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:47 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:15 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 16:34 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 16:38 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 22:34 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 18:50 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 03:11 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 08:18 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 17:04 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-27 18:53 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-28 21:41 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 22:03 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 03:29 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:16 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 12:36 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:55 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:43 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-27 17:07 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-27 19:05 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-01 15:06 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-01 11:47 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-01 16:31 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:52 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:15 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-01 16:51 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-01 17:15 -0400
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-02 12:34 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-02-26 12:29 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 16:34 -0500
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 22:04 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-05 20:00 +0000
more on broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:38 -0300
Re: more on broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-26 19:47 -0500
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 08:55 -0300
Re: more on broken schools kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-27 19:00 -0500
OT: a personal note to Stefan Ram (Was: Re: more on broken schools) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 09:31 -0300
Re: more on broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:03 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 20:30 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:43 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 21:33 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 13:30 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 03:00 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-10 10:50 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 08:46 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 23:05 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 11:31 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-14 23:46 +0100
Re: more on broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-16 22:43 -0300
Re: more on broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-17 23:44 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 22:50 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:21 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 17:06 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 23:28 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 11:12 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 14:08 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:32 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 22:22 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:34 +0100
fdm, paredit and systemd (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 13:18 -0300
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:53 +0100
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 06:23 -0300
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:31 +0100
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 21:10 -0300
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 00:09 +0100
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 21:41 -0300
Re: fdm, paredit and systemd D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 13:32 +0100
UNIX systems (Was: Re: fdm, paredit and systemd) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 03:10 -0300
Re: UNIX systems (Was: Re: fdm, paredit and systemd) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-10 10:54 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 09:08 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 23:09 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-13 18:17 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-16 00:03 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-16 22:41 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-18 10:50 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-21 16:26 -0300
Re: UNIX systems Matto Fransen <mattof@sdf.org> - 2025-03-21 19:53 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-24 00:11 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-21 23:37 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-24 00:34 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-25 21:49 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-26 23:24 -0300
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-29 22:31 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-29 20:40 -0300
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-22 10:11 -0300
Re: UNIX systems kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-03-25 17:40 -0400
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-25 23:04 +0100
Re: UNIX systems Charles Dagny <1800@DEV.NULL> - 2025-03-28 21:41 -0300
Re: UNIX systems onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2025-03-10 15:06 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-11 11:58 -0300
Re: UNIX systems yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-11 15:49 +0042
Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-11 15:25 +0000
Re: UNIX systems onion@anon.invalid (Mr Ön!on) - 2025-03-11 16:24 +0000
Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-11 17:30 +0000
Re: UNIX systems candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-12 22:30 +0000
Re: UNIX systems yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-12 23:23 +0042
Re: UNIX systems candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-03-13 20:40 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-13 18:04 -0300
Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-13 21:26 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 12:23 -0300
Re: UNIX systems cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-03-13 01:24 +0000
Re: UNIX systems Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2025-03-12 01:38 -0300
Re: UNIX systems snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-03-12 14:03 +0000
Re: UNIX systems D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-12 22:19 +0100
Re: UNIX systems kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-03-11 19:09 -0400
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-03-04 02:44 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2025-03-04 17:50 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-19 09:40 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-02-20 08:29 +1000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 15:56 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:45 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:01 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:22 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:02 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:44 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:43 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 23:04 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 11:01 +0100
broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 13:46 -0300
Re: broken schools (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:18 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 22:34 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:38 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 15:45 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 14:05 +0100
Re: broken schools Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-02-26 13:15 +0000
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 23:10 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 06:49 -0300
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 07:41 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 19:52 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 21:41 -0300
Re: broken schools yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-08 02:59 +0042
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 00:14 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 22:26 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 22:52 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-10 08:39 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 22:59 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-14 12:10 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-15 23:58 +0100
Re: broken schools Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-17 00:02 -0300
Re: broken schools Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-03-18 03:00 +0000
Re: broken schools Eva Lu <evalu@tor.soy> - 2025-03-18 21:20 -0300
Re: broken schools D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-18 11:17 +0100
OT: totally off-topic (Was: Re: broken schools) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-19 13:51 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic (Was: Re: broken schools) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-19 23:20 +0100
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-21 11:52 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-23 00:31 +0100
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-29 20:50 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-04-01 16:43 +0200
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-04-04 11:20 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-04-06 23:17 +0200
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-04-10 15:19 -0300
Re: OT: totally off-topic D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-04-12 21:05 +0200
Re: OT: totally off-topic Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-04-13 13:10 -0300
lifestyles Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:20 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:40 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 15:57 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-17 18:30 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-17 22:44 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-18 00:08 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-18 00:30 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:23 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:52 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-20 01:09 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 22:27 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-20 21:51 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:22 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:23 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:07 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:35 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:31 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:06 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 11:01 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-18 13:48 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:56 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-18 10:22 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> - 2025-02-18 14:05 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 22:03 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:14 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:47 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-02-20 22:12 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:15 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 11:04 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:21 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 22:46 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 10:43 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2025-02-25 14:20 +0300
small communities, nntp server (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 15:20 -0300
Re: small communities, nntp server (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:57 +0100
Re: small communities, nntp server Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:20 -0300
Re: small communities, nntp server D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 14:49 +0100
Re: small communities, nntp server yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-02-26 13:50 +0042
Re: small communities, nntp server D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 23:08 +0100
Re: small communities, nntp server D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 23:08 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:59 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:13 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:41 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:33 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:12 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 11:03 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:51 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-20 21:49 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 23:21 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:22 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-02-22 17:09 +0000
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-23 00:23 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-19 21:49 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 16:05 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 18:24 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-20 23:05 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-20 22:56 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-21 10:51 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-23 23:21 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 11:10 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 14:04 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-24 23:28 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-24 21:58 -0300
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-25 11:26 +0100
OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-25 11:58 -0300
Re: OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-26 13:21 +0100
Re: OT: personal stories Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-27 06:04 -0300
Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-02-27 15:21 +0100
Re: OT: personal stories Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-07 20:49 -0300
Re: OT: personal stories yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2025-03-08 00:43 +0042
Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:46 +0100
Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-08 23:45 +0100
Re: OT: personal stories Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-03-08 21:37 -0300
Re: OT: personal stories D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-09 13:30 +0100
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy D Finnigan <dog_cow@macgui.com> - 2025-02-25 13:17 -0600
Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-26 21:21 -0300
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-19 21:51 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87v7t5l9p6.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #26476 |
Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> writes: [...] > Note my use of "friends" not friends. When I asked why I was told > that what I don't know can't hurt me. Speechless. > As for whatsapp, as I understand it, it is all or nothing thing about > what it uploads, and some of them are people that I work with, so we > need each others phone numbers whilst working. They think I'm odd for > not using it. That makes two of us. :) I never really asked people not to upload pictures of me, but I'm not aware of any picture of mine that's there---but I'm sure they are there somewhere. Now, Whatsapp I really don't use and people sometimes beg me for installing that thing, but I never did.
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2025-02-20 21:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vp880m$qoe$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #26503 |
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> writes: > >[...] > >> Note my use of "friends" not friends. When I asked why I was told >> that what I don't know can't hurt me. > >Speechless. This is pretty typical of Americans today, I think. If you talk about privacy, they say they have nothing to hide and accuse you of being suspicious. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-20 23:21 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87cyfcavh0.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #26534 |
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes: > Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >>Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> writes: >> >>[...] >> >>> Note my use of "friends" not friends. When I asked why I was told >>> that what I don't know can't hurt me. >> >>Speechless. > > This is pretty typical of Americans today, I think. If you talk about > privacy, they say they have nothing to hide and accuse you of being > suspicious. I've noticed that some people say this because they really don't think much about this. It's a bit of ignorance perhaps; but not always a hopeless ignorance. We are thinkers in these matters; most people are not. For instance, I've seen many intelligent people say things like---``a site like YouTube shouldn't let every video be posted; some videos are outrageous''. (And, indeed, YouTube doesn't let every video be posted.) They can't quite see that freedom of expression is something that's all-or-nothing. This is easy to see for people who think about such matters for a long time.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-21 10:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <2d1963d7-b3a7-9fcc-a5c2-ab75d955b0c7@example.net> |
| In reply to | #26534 |
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote: > Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote: >> Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> writes: >> >> [...] >> >>> Note my use of "friends" not friends. When I asked why I was told >>> that what I don't know can't hurt me. >> >> Speechless. > > This is pretty typical of Americans today, I think. If you talk about > privacy, they say they have nothing to hide and accuse you of being > suspicious. > --scott I am surprised! I thought one of the hallmarks of american culture was its suspicion of government and authority. It seems this attitude goes against that? =(
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| From | kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) |
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| Date | 2025-02-22 17:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vpd0co$5g5$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #26563 |
D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote: >> >> This is pretty typical of Americans today, I think. If you talk about >> privacy, they say they have nothing to hide and accuse you of being >> suspicious. > >I am surprised! I thought one of the hallmarks of american culture was its >suspicion of government and authority. It seems this attitude goes against >that? =( Your guess is as good as mine. I see lots of people who are very suspicious of the government but think it's perfectly fine to give as much information to large corporations as possible. Personally I would put far more faith in the government than in health insurance companies or even Amazon. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-23 00:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <40ff1343-48b9-0619-6a15-c1be757321fc@example.net> |
| In reply to | #26608 |
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote: > D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote: >>> >>> This is pretty typical of Americans today, I think. If you talk about >>> privacy, they say they have nothing to hide and accuse you of being >>> suspicious. >> >> I am surprised! I thought one of the hallmarks of american culture was its >> suspicion of government and authority. It seems this attitude goes against >> that? =( > > Your guess is as good as mine. I see lots of people who are very suspicious > of the government but think it's perfectly fine to give as much information > to large corporations as possible. Personally I would put far more faith > in the government than in health insurance companies or even Amazon. > --scott Very strange. For me the government is always enemy nr 1, but FAANG are not close behind. I think we have some agreement between us here, perhaps.
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-19 21:49 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <8734g9modu.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #26472 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: > I also believe that second hand exposure is less than first hand > exposure. A small comfort as well. A lot better. These ``friends'' are not people who understand what we're talking about here. If you start explaining why they shouldn't put your picture there and so on, it will really be a lot of work. And you might end up losing these friends because, you know, people have little tolerance for politics. People wanna have fun. Eat, drink, play video games, watch TV, ... They get fed up with political stuff---it's hard to understand and it all seems to boil down to same thing over and over again. But, yeah, we're all probably better off away from these ``friends''. We just need to face our loneliness, which is healhty.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-20 16:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <25c6c643-4e94-09d9-48e6-e9cf123e7cd4@example.net> |
| In reply to | #26502 |
On Wed, 19 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > D <nospam@example.net> writes: > >> I also believe that second hand exposure is less than first hand >> exposure. A small comfort as well. > > A lot better. These ``friends'' are not people who understand what > we're talking about here. If you start explaining why they shouldn't > put your picture there and so on, it will really be a lot of work. And > you might end up losing these friends because, you know, people have > little tolerance for politics. > > People wanna have fun. Eat, drink, play video games, watch TV, ... They > get fed up with political stuff---it's hard to understand and it all > seems to boil down to same thing over and over again. > > But, yeah, we're all probably better off away from these ``friends''. > We just need to face our loneliness, which is healhty. Many are the "friends" I have left behind because they could not be bothered to contact me through phone or email. Since I am not on FB, and since their only way of interacting is through FB and whatsapp, they simply faded out of my life, and to be honest, weren't much friends to begin with. The ones who remain, I call real friends, because they do bother to shoot me an sms or an email from time to time, and likewise, I do give them a call. So I find this to be a hueg benefit! I am also lucky because I run my own company, so my business partners know that if they want to reach me, they have 2 options, email or phone, and all of them accept that. Last, but not least, let us not forget that friends is not a static concept, there are always plenty of ways to meet new friends in life if one feels the need and has the motivation. =)
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-20 18:24 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87seo8fgx8.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #26522 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: > On Wed, 19 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >> D <nospam@example.net> writes: >> >>> I also believe that second hand exposure is less than first hand >>> exposure. A small comfort as well. >> >> A lot better. These ``friends'' are not people who understand what >> we're talking about here. If you start explaining why they shouldn't >> put your picture there and so on, it will really be a lot of work. And >> you might end up losing these friends because, you know, people have >> little tolerance for politics. >> >> People wanna have fun. Eat, drink, play video games, watch TV, ... They >> get fed up with political stuff---it's hard to understand and it all >> seems to boil down to same thing over and over again. >> >> But, yeah, we're all probably better off away from these ``friends''. >> We just need to face our loneliness, which is healhty. > > Many are the "friends" I have left behind because they could not be bothered to > contact me through phone or email. Since I am not on FB, and since their only > way of interacting is through FB and whatsapp, they simply faded out of my life, > and to be honest, weren't much friends to begin with. Same here! I ``lost'' many. > The ones who remain, I call real friends, because they do bother to shoot me an > sms or an email from time to time, and likewise, I do give them a call. Same here and this does make me happy. So it turns out that we've sort of optimized life a bit and increased the security level. We don't need to waste time with non-friends and found some real ones. That's a hack. :) > So I find this to be a hueg benefit! I am also lucky because I run my > own company, so my business partners know that if they want to reach > me, they have 2 options, email or phone, and all of them accept that. Nice to hear you run your own business. > Last, but not least, let us not forget that friends is not a static > concept, there are always plenty of ways to meet new friends in life > if one feels the need and has the motivation. =) Exactly.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-20 23:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d25aa64b-6127-3ab1-19c1-0099c685834f@example.net> |
| In reply to | #26530 |
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >> Many are the "friends" I have left behind because they could not be bothered to >> contact me through phone or email. Since I am not on FB, and since their only >> way of interacting is through FB and whatsapp, they simply faded out of my life, >> and to be honest, weren't much friends to begin with. > > Same here! I ``lost'' many. > >> The ones who remain, I call real friends, because they do bother to shoot me an >> sms or an email from time to time, and likewise, I do give them a call. > > Same here and this does make me happy. So it turns out that we've sort > of optimized life a bit and increased the security level. We don't need > to waste time with non-friends and found some real ones. That's a hack. :) Amen! Quite an efficiency hack! =D Another "security" hack I have implemented for my father is that I have forbidden him from getting government digital ID on his smart phone. This is very funny, because once scammers called him and told some kind of story that ended with them asking him to confirm what ever they wanted by opening the digital ID app (this is how most old people get scammed where I live) and he told them that he doesn't have it, due to security reasons... ... the scammers sighed heavily and just hung up. =D >> So I find this to be a hueg benefit! I am also lucky because I run my >> own company, so my business partners know that if they want to reach >> me, they have 2 options, email or phone, and all of them accept that. > > Nice to hear you run your own business. Yes, it is the best thing that has ever happened to me except for my wife. I am truly blessed and am very thankful for it every single day. =) >> Last, but not least, let us not forget that friends is not a static >> concept, there are always plenty of ways to meet new friends in life >> if one feels the need and has the motivation. =) > > Exactly. Amen!
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-20 22:56 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87eczscb6w.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #26540 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: > On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >>> Many are the "friends" I have left behind because they could not be bothered to >>> contact me through phone or email. Since I am not on FB, and since their only >>> way of interacting is through FB and whatsapp, they simply faded out of my life, >>> and to be honest, weren't much friends to begin with. >> >> Same here! I ``lost'' many. >> >>> The ones who remain, I call real friends, because they do bother to shoot me an >>> sms or an email from time to time, and likewise, I do give them a call. >> >> Same here and this does make me happy. So it turns out that we've sort >> of optimized life a bit and increased the security level. We don't need >> to waste time with non-friends and found some real ones. That's a hack. :) > > Amen! Quite an efficiency hack! =D Another "security" hack I have implemented > for my father is that I have forbidden him from getting government digital ID on > his smart phone. This is very funny, because once scammers called him and told > some kind of story that ended with them asking him to confirm what ever they > wanted by opening the digital ID app (this is how most old people get scammed > where I live) and he told them that he doesn't have it, due to security > reasons... > > ... the scammers sighed heavily and just hung up. =D Lol. If that's not a super inconvenience to your father, then I think it's a great solution. Over here these scams are quite a problem too. I also do talk to my father quite a lot about such matters. And anything suspicious at all, he always talks to me. In fact, I've talked to my entire family about such things. To always let one another know about these events---to talk often among us. We learn more and so we protect ourselves more. The reason we can be so good at handling this computing world is because we are pretty much obsessed about it; we spend the entire day thinking about it; reading about it; writing about it. By talking more with our families about these matters, they do learn more from us. Of course, we can't expect they'll be coworkers. We need to take things very slowly and only as much as they can handle it. Then it becomes kind of fun for them too and then they learn a bunch. >>> So I find this to be a hueg benefit! I am also lucky because I run my >>> own company, so my business partners know that if they want to reach >>> me, they have 2 options, email or phone, and all of them accept that. >> >> Nice to hear you run your own business. > > Yes, it is the best thing that has ever happened to me except for my wife. I am > truly blessed and am very thankful for it every single day. =) Nice to hear that your wife is the best thing that ever happened to you. I unfortunately can't yet say the same. I'm single, although I'd love to have little kids running around and through the house. :) But first I gotta find someone who I love and who loves me. Congratulations! I think you've nailed it. And it's interesting that I've found you here to be one of the most upbeat ones around here. And I guess this explains something. You seem to have a healthy life. Well done!
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-21 10:51 +0100 |
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On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >> Amen! Quite an efficiency hack! =D Another "security" hack I have implemented >> for my father is that I have forbidden him from getting government digital ID on >> his smart phone. This is very funny, because once scammers called him and told >> some kind of story that ended with them asking him to confirm what ever they >> wanted by opening the digital ID app (this is how most old people get scammed >> where I live) and he told them that he doesn't have it, due to security >> reasons... >> >> ... the scammers sighed heavily and just hung up. =D > > Lol. If that's not a super inconvenience to your father, then I think > it's a great solution. Over here these scams are quite a problem too. At the moment, everything essential in society has to be able to be done on paper, so it really is not a problem, and costs about 20-40 minutes per year in extra writing on actual paper. This scares me though! I fear the day when a smartphone is mandatory in order to participate in society. This will be a sad day indeed. Add to that, centralbank managed electronic currencies, that can be clawed back from you, or where you are blocked from spending them in an instant, if you go against the government, and we have a very dystopian situation indeed. =/ > I also do talk to my father quite a lot about such matters. And > anything suspicious at all, he always talks to me. In fact, I've talked > to my entire family about such things. To always let one another know > about these events---to talk often among us. We learn more and so we > protect ourselves more. This is good advice! My father and I, and my wife, talk about these things, but we never formalized it, so that we say that we should talk to each other in case anyone does get a weird message. I read that in order to protect against voice cloning, you should decide on a family password as well. This we also haven't done. But I am currently working on a small IT-security curriculum for retired people, and that class will include an example of voice cloning to show them how it works, and what they can expect. > The reason we can be so good at handling this computing world is because > we are pretty much obsessed about it; we spend the entire day thinking > about it; reading about it; writing about it. By talking more with our > families about these matters, they do learn more from us. Of course, we > can't expect they'll be coworkers. We need to take things very slowly > and only as much as they can handle it. Then it becomes kind of fun for > them too and then they learn a bunch. This is true. But this also requires some amount of simplification in order for it not to become an energy drain. That is why I like my way of limiting communication to phone and email. It only leaves two doors open which is easier to defend than 3 or 4 or 5 doors open. ;) >>>> So I find this to be a hueg benefit! I am also lucky because I run my >>>> own company, so my business partners know that if they want to reach >>>> me, they have 2 options, email or phone, and all of them accept that. >>> >>> Nice to hear you run your own business. >> >> Yes, it is the best thing that has ever happened to me except for my wife. I am >> truly blessed and am very thankful for it every single day. =) > > Nice to hear that your wife is the best thing that ever happened to you. > I unfortunately can't yet say the same. I'm single, although I'd love > to have little kids running around and through the house. :) But first > I gotta find someone who I love and who loves me. In my experience, as long as you are living a positive life, and don't get caught in depression, and caught by unreasonable aesthetic standards, this will happen in time. As for children, no such thing for me, since biologically I have an extremely low chance of having children. On the other hand, my parents got the same diagnosis from the doctor, and they had me, and the doctor said it was not possible according to science, so who knows? ;) > Congratulations! I think you've nailed it. > > And it's interesting that I've found you here to be one of the most > upbeat ones around here. And I guess this explains something. You seem > to have a healthy life. Well done! Well... I can have my days too! ;)
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-23 23:21 -0300 |
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| In reply to | #26569 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: > On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >>> Amen! Quite an efficiency hack! =D Another "security" hack I have >>> implemented for my father is that I have forbidden him from getting >>> government digital ID on his smart phone. This is very funny, >>> because once scammers called him and told some kind of story that >>> ended with them asking him to confirm what ever they wanted by >>> opening the digital ID app (this is how most old people get scammed >>> where I live) and he told them that he doesn't have it, due to >>> security reasons... >>> >>> ... the scammers sighed heavily and just hung up. =D >> >> Lol. If that's not a super inconvenience to your father, then I think >> it's a great solution. Over here these scams are quite a problem too. > > At the moment, everything essential in society has to be able to be > done on paper, so it really is not a problem, and costs about 20-40 > minutes per year in extra writing on actual paper. > > This scares me though! I fear the day when a smartphone is mandatory > in order to participate in society. This will be a sad day indeed. Add > to that, centralbank managed electronic currencies, that can be clawed > back from you, or where you are blocked from spending them in an > instant, if you go against the government, and we have a very > dystopian situation indeed. =/ I would think that there are so many poor people in the world that governments could never really ask anyone to always have a phone. However, I think it's already real that without such tools, the alternative way will be so painful that a person like you or I will likely not choose not to use a phone. I think that's already more or less true in commerce. For instance, I've been at times confronted with the situation that without using Whatsapp, I could not get service. During the pandemics, for example, so many people could not find a way out of following protocols they did not want to follow and even taking chemical substances they did not want to take. So many people I know did not want to do it and did it anyway because it was a hassle otherwise. >> I also do talk to my father quite a lot about such matters. And >> anything suspicious at all, he always talks to me. In fact, I've talked >> to my entire family about such things. To always let one another know >> about these events---to talk often among us. We learn more and so we >> protect ourselves more. > > This is good advice! My father and I, and my wife, talk about these > things, but we never formalized it, so that we say that we should talk > to each other in case anyone does get a weird message. > > I read that in order to protect against voice cloning, you should > decide on a family password as well. This we also haven't done. But I > am currently working on a small IT-security curriculum for retired > people, and that class will include an example of voice cloning to > show them how it works, and what they can expect. I haven't done something like that either. But, you know, I'm going to propose that this week---I think it's a very good idea. I'm meeting most of my family in two days. >> The reason we can be so good at handling this computing world is because >> we are pretty much obsessed about it; we spend the entire day thinking >> about it; reading about it; writing about it. By talking more with our >> families about these matters, they do learn more from us. Of course, we >> can't expect they'll be coworkers. We need to take things very slowly >> and only as much as they can handle it. Then it becomes kind of fun for >> them too and then they learn a bunch. > > This is true. But this also requires some amount of simplification in > order for it not to become an energy drain. That is why I like my way > of limiting communication to phone and email. It only leaves two doors > open which is easier to defend than 3 or 4 or 5 doors open. ;) Quite right. >>>>> So I find this to be a hueg benefit! I am also lucky because I run my >>>>> own company, so my business partners know that if they want to reach >>>>> me, they have 2 options, email or phone, and all of them accept that. >>>> >>>> Nice to hear you run your own business. >>> >>> Yes, it is the best thing that has ever happened to me except for my >>> wife. I am truly blessed and am very thankful for it every single >>> day. =) >> >> Nice to hear that your wife is the best thing that ever happened to you. >> I unfortunately can't yet say the same. I'm single, although I'd love >> to have little kids running around and through the house. :) But first >> I gotta find someone who I love and who loves me. > > In my experience, as long as you are living a positive life, and don't > get caught in depression, and caught by unreasonable aesthetic > standards, this will happen in time. That's *very* good to hear as this is the most important thing to me. I feel very much protected from all of these malaise (for lack of a better word). > As for children, no such thing for me, since biologically I have an > extremely low chance of having children. On the other hand, my parents > got the same diagnosis from the doctor, and they had me, and the > doctor said it was not possible according to science, so who knows? ;) I am sorry for hearing the news, but I also feel that we should hope for the best here. I think nobody should trust doctor's predictions. I certainly don't know the reasons you might have low chance of having children and let's remember this is a public forum. The subject does me remind me of a conversation with epidemiologist Shanna Swan, which I have been slowly rewatching again---it's a 2h conversation. The entire conversation is very interesting. In this conversation, we can learn that male fertility is decreasing by 1% *per year*. Shanna Swan on male fertility (et cetera) https://youtu.be/C9aqGqjC1kE
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-24 11:10 +0100 |
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >> At the moment, everything essential in society has to be able to be >> done on paper, so it really is not a problem, and costs about 20-40 >> minutes per year in extra writing on actual paper. >> >> This scares me though! I fear the day when a smartphone is mandatory >> in order to participate in society. This will be a sad day indeed. Add >> to that, centralbank managed electronic currencies, that can be clawed >> back from you, or where you are blocked from spending them in an >> instant, if you go against the government, and we have a very >> dystopian situation indeed. =/ > > I would think that there are so many poor people in the world that > governments could never really ask anyone to always have a phone. > However, I think it's already real that without such tools, the > alternative way will be so painful that a person like you or I will > likely not choose not to use a phone. True! It seems that god was listening in on this and sent me this article on the same theme: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/feb/22/the-tyranny-of-apps-those-without-smartphones-are-unfairly-penalised-say-campaigners I think they have a good point! One business idea I have is hosting "virtual phones" in the cloud. So people who do not want a smartphone or who can not afford one, can rent a small VM in the cloud for 4-8 EUR per month or so, and use that to run their apps. The provlem is that not all apps work on a VM, since app developers can do some kind of magic that blocks them from running on an emulator. The governments national ID has this, so refuses to run on an emulator. But I think that the majority of apps might run in that configuration. So if I need an app, I get start my VM, do what I need to do, and then shut it down. > I think that's already more or less true in commerce. For instance, > I've been at times confronted with the situation that without using > Whatsapp, I could not get service. > > During the pandemics, for example, so many people could not find a way > out of following protocols they did not want to follow and even taking > chemical substances they did not want to take. So many people I know > did not want to do it and did it anyway because it was a hassle > otherwise. Oh that was a pain. My wife got vaccinated once against her will because of it. I did not, and I spent many 100s of hours avoiding the unethical restrictions. I printed my own corona vaccination qr codes for a while, until that didn't work, I found a medical loop hole to allow me to travel without a mask, towards the end, I copied other peoples foreign qr codes, which would get me into stores, despite being unvaccinated, since the system in the stores only checked if the qr was valid, and nothing else like last country of use, or matching it with id checks. >> As for children, no such thing for me, since biologically I have an >> extremely low chance of having children. On the other hand, my parents >> got the same diagnosis from the doctor, and they had me, and the >> doctor said it was not possible according to science, so who knows? ;) > > I am sorry for hearing the news, but I also feel that we should hope for > the best here. I think nobody should trust doctor's predictions. I > certainly don't know the reasons you might have low chance of having > children and let's remember this is a public forum. The subject does me > remind me of a conversation with epidemiologist Shanna Swan, which I > have been slowly rewatching again---it's a 2h conversation. The entire > conversation is very interesting. In this conversation, we can learn > that male fertility is decreasing by 1% *per year*. > > Shanna Swan on male fertility (et cetera) > https://youtu.be/C9aqGqjC1kE I've actually seen the video before, when my wife was the most crazy about our problem. In my case, it is just a chance mutation that resulted in low quality sperm. That's all. It is not impossible, but but very, very low probability of fertilizing eggs.
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-24 14:04 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87v7szw9yv.fsf@example.com> |
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D <nospam@example.net> writes: > On Sun, 23 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >>> At the moment, everything essential in society has to be able to be >>> done on paper, so it really is not a problem, and costs about 20-40 >>> minutes per year in extra writing on actual paper. >>> >>> This scares me though! I fear the day when a smartphone is mandatory >>> in order to participate in society. This will be a sad day indeed. Add >>> to that, centralbank managed electronic currencies, that can be clawed >>> back from you, or where you are blocked from spending them in an >>> instant, if you go against the government, and we have a very >>> dystopian situation indeed. =/ >> >> I would think that there are so many poor people in the world that >> governments could never really ask anyone to always have a phone. >> However, I think it's already real that without such tools, the >> alternative way will be so painful that a person like you or I will >> likely not choose not to use a phone. > > True! > > It seems that god was listening in on this and sent me this article on the same > theme: > > https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/feb/22/the-tyranny-of-apps-those-without-smartphones-are-unfairly-penalised-say-campaigners > > I think they have a good point! One business idea I have is hosting "virtual > phones" in the cloud. So people who do not want a smartphone or who can not > afford one, can rent a small VM in the cloud for 4-8 EUR per month or so, and > use that to run their apps. > > The provlem is that not all apps work on a VM, since app developers can do some > kind of magic that blocks them from running on an emulator. The governments > national ID has this, so refuses to run on an emulator. > > But I think that the majority of apps might run in that configuration. So if I > need an app, I get start my VM, do what I need to do, and then shut it > down. I suppose commerce itself can do that. For instance, someone could walk in a store with cash and exchange it for a temporary credit card to be used at the machines, say. You know what I mean? Government offices can make their systems all based on phone apps, but then people can walk in some place to use a phone and get their bureaucracy done. It's your idea up there, but instead of virtual machines, real phones instead. This will likely be done, I think. And I think that's a good solution. >> I think that's already more or less true in commerce. For instance, >> I've been at times confronted with the situation that without using >> Whatsapp, I could not get service. >> >> During the pandemics, for example, so many people could not find a way >> out of following protocols they did not want to follow and even taking >> chemical substances they did not want to take. So many people I know >> did not want to do it and did it anyway because it was a hassle >> otherwise. > > Oh that was a pain. My wife got vaccinated once against her will because of it. > I did not, and I spent many 100s of hours avoiding the unethical restrictions. I > printed my own corona vaccination qr codes for a while, until that didn't work, > I found a medical loop hole to allow me to travel without a mask, towards the > end, I copied other peoples foreign qr codes, which would get me into stores, > despite being unvaccinated, since the system in the stores only checked if the > qr was valid, and nothing else like last country of use, or matching it with id > checks. I did the same. (It's amazing the kind of parallels we can find on the USENET.) I'm happy to hear you managed it too. I did a COVID exam every week, getting it negative 100% of the times, for an entire semester and archived my exams with my employeer. I was very happy with the alternative: I would not have taken any substance at all. I would have gone to the last resort. I saw no point in taking in an unknown substance so try to avoid an aggressive /cold/. >>> As for children, no such thing for me, since biologically I have an >>> extremely low chance of having children. On the other hand, my parents >>> got the same diagnosis from the doctor, and they had me, and the >>> doctor said it was not possible according to science, so who knows? ;) >> >> I am sorry for hearing the news, but I also feel that we should hope for >> the best here. I think nobody should trust doctor's predictions. I >> certainly don't know the reasons you might have low chance of having >> children and let's remember this is a public forum. The subject does me >> remind me of a conversation with epidemiologist Shanna Swan, which I >> have been slowly rewatching again---it's a 2h conversation. The entire >> conversation is very interesting. In this conversation, we can learn >> that male fertility is decreasing by 1% *per year*. >> >> Shanna Swan on male fertility (et cetera) >> https://youtu.be/C9aqGqjC1kE > > I've actually seen the video before, when my wife was the most crazy about our > problem. In my case, it is just a chance mutation that resulted in low quality > sperm. That's all. It is not impossible, but but very, very low probability of > fertilizing eggs. I'm not a religious person in the traditional sense of the word, but turns out I find myself one of the most religious person I've ever met because patience, perseverance, lack of ambition and a certain mastery of the art of listening seem pretty religious to me. For instance, pretty much every religious person I know has at least one tattoo on their skin. I think that's totally non-religious because a tattoo effectively destroys (at least a bit) something natural that took a zillion years to be prepared---to protect the person. I think that if God speaks to us at all, it is done through the movement of nature. Lol. I'm saying all of this to say that I would never believe that it's really impossible for you to have kids. Life is full of adversities. My idea is that we should work on them 'til the end---unconcerned with the end result. End results imply a direction, a strategy. We try to fix the bug in the software because we want to understand what caused the bug and how it works. Not because we want the software to be flawless. So we don't fret if we can't figure it out, but we always work on it. We work directionless because we don't really mind not getting to the end result. Anywhere we go is natural enough; it's divine enough.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-24 23:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <3cd7f616-d9a1-3dbb-2c9a-70001117f6af@example.net> |
| In reply to | #26643 |
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >> But I think that the majority of apps might run in that configuration. So if I >> need an app, I get start my VM, do what I need to do, and then shut it >> down. > > I suppose commerce itself can do that. For instance, someone could walk > in a store with cash and exchange it for a temporary credit card to be > used at the machines, say. > > You know what I mean? Government offices can make their systems all > based on phone apps, but then people can walk in some place to use a > phone and get their bureaucracy done. It's your idea up there, but > instead of virtual machines, real phones instead. This will likely be > done, I think. > > And I think that's a good solution. Ah yes... I thought of that as well, but more time consuming and expensive, since it's 1 human to 1 human. I also thought about a similar concept for people who want to buy things with cash online. Go to one person with a credit card, pay him in cash, and he buys you what you need. I think this is probably illegal in the EU, since there are laws prohibiting anonymous cash transactions for some amounts. But maybe not. The phone service, cash service, and perhaps a p.o. box service would all be part of my empire anonymous Inc! ;) Jokes aside, sometimes I think such a business might exist best as an underground business. >>> I think that's already more or less true in commerce. For instance, >>> I've been at times confronted with the situation that without using >>> Whatsapp, I could not get service. >>> >>> During the pandemics, for example, so many people could not find a way >>> out of following protocols they did not want to follow and even taking >>> chemical substances they did not want to take. So many people I know >>> did not want to do it and did it anyway because it was a hassle >>> otherwise. >> >> Oh that was a pain. My wife got vaccinated once against her will because of it. >> I did not, and I spent many 100s of hours avoiding the unethical restrictions. I >> printed my own corona vaccination qr codes for a while, until that didn't work, >> I found a medical loop hole to allow me to travel without a mask, towards the >> end, I copied other peoples foreign qr codes, which would get me into stores, >> despite being unvaccinated, since the system in the stores only checked if the >> qr was valid, and nothing else like last country of use, or matching it with id >> checks. > > I did the same. (It's amazing the kind of parallels we can find on the > USENET.) I'm happy to hear you managed it too. I did a COVID exam > every week, getting it negative 100% of the times, for an entire > semester and archived my exams with my employeer. I was very happy with > the alternative: I would not have taken any substance at all. I would > have gone to the last resort. I saw no point in taking in an unknown > substance so try to avoid an aggressive /cold/. It is amazing! It was the 2 worst year of my life, and destryoed my trust in democracy. I stopped voting after that. I did one corona test and they almost damaged my nose by showing some stuff up into my brain. Extremely painful, and I had an irritated nose for several days after that. That's when I decided, no more tests for me. But I found a company that did saliva-based tests, and I called a doctor who watched me perform the saliva based tests on the phone, and eventually she was so tired of the process that she said, what ever... write your own certificate, slap my name and signature on it, and just email me if you travel so I know. So for 1 years, that's what I did. =D But towards the end they hooked up all testing facilities to some EU surveillance register, so then it did not work anymore, but it was towards the end, so I didn't have the energy to get connected to it, but if it would have continued, I would have started my own corona clinic. >>>> As for children, no such thing for me, since biologically I have an >>>> extremely low chance of having children. On the other hand, my parents >>>> got the same diagnosis from the doctor, and they had me, and the >>>> doctor said it was not possible according to science, so who knows? ;) >>> >>> I am sorry for hearing the news, but I also feel that we should hope for >>> the best here. I think nobody should trust doctor's predictions. I >>> certainly don't know the reasons you might have low chance of having >>> children and let's remember this is a public forum. The subject does me >>> remind me of a conversation with epidemiologist Shanna Swan, which I >>> have been slowly rewatching again---it's a 2h conversation. The entire >>> conversation is very interesting. In this conversation, we can learn >>> that male fertility is decreasing by 1% *per year*. >>> >>> Shanna Swan on male fertility (et cetera) >>> https://youtu.be/C9aqGqjC1kE >> >> I've actually seen the video before, when my wife was the most crazy about our >> problem. In my case, it is just a chance mutation that resulted in low quality >> sperm. That's all. It is not impossible, but but very, very low probability of >> fertilizing eggs. > > I'm not a religious person in the traditional sense of the word, but > turns out I find myself one of the most religious person I've ever met > because patience, perseverance, lack of ambition and a certain mastery > of the art of listening seem pretty religious to me. For instance, > pretty much every religious person I know has at least one tattoo on > their skin. I think that's totally non-religious because a tattoo > effectively destroys (at least a bit) something natural that took a > zillion years to be prepared---to protect the person. I think that if > God speaks to us at all, it is done through the movement of nature. Never been a fan of tattoos. But in my case it is a conservative upbringing where tattoos where seen as low class. It is strange how things like that still stick with you. On the other hand, it is permanent, and since I don't have anything permanent to say, I don't really see why I should get a tattoo. It was funny, at a consulting gig there was a woke witch, constantly harping on how evil I was as a white man. She tattooed the logo of the company on her arm. Then 6 months afte I quit the consulting gig, she kicked her out. I laughed a lot! What goes around, comes around. I still wonder if she has that tattoo? =D > Lol. I'm saying all of this to say that I would never believe that it's > really impossible for you to have kids. Life is full of adversities. > My idea is that we should work on them 'til the end---unconcerned with > the end result. This is a very sound philosophy! I do feel perfectly at ease with either result, child or no child, but I have told my wife that as long as she wants it, I support us continuing trying. No matter the outcome, I'm fine with it. She is not however, which does make me sad. > End results imply a direction, a strategy. > > We try to fix the bug in the software because we want to understand what > caused the bug and how it works. Not because we want the software to be > flawless. So we don't fret if we can't figure it out, but we always > work on it. We work directionless because we don't really mind not > getting to the end result. Anywhere we go is natural enough; it's > divine enough. I think enjoying the process is very conducive to being able to perform the activity for a long time. It's almost as if you describe some zen like state.
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-24 21:58 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <87seo2u9fk.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #26650 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: >>>> I think that's already more or less true in commerce. For instance, >>>> I've been at times confronted with the situation that without using >>>> Whatsapp, I could not get service. >>>> >>>> During the pandemics, for example, so many people could not find a way >>>> out of following protocols they did not want to follow and even taking >>>> chemical substances they did not want to take. So many people I know >>>> did not want to do it and did it anyway because it was a hassle >>>> otherwise. >>> >>> Oh that was a pain. My wife got vaccinated once against her will >>> because of it. I did not, and I spent many 100s of hours avoiding >>> the unethical restrictions. I printed my own corona vaccination qr >>> codes for a while, until that didn't work, I found a medical loop >>> hole to allow me to travel without a mask, towards the end, I copied >>> other peoples foreign qr codes, which would get me into stores, >>> despite being unvaccinated, since the system in the stores only >>> checked if the qr was valid, and nothing else like last country of >>> use, or matching it with id checks. >> >> I did the same. (It's amazing the kind of parallels we can find on the >> USENET.) I'm happy to hear you managed it too. I did a COVID exam >> every week, getting it negative 100% of the times, for an entire >> semester and archived my exams with my employeer. I was very happy with >> the alternative: I would not have taken any substance at all. I would >> have gone to the last resort. I saw no point in taking in an unknown >> substance so try to avoid an aggressive /cold/. > > It is amazing! It was the 2 worst year of my life, and destryoed my trust in > democracy. I stopped voting after that. I stopped voting by never quite beginning. As soon as I could vote, I went to live abroad. I got back 10 years later, when I didn't want to vote anymore. A vote contributes to a perpetuation of a system. Politicians use our votes to make their money. I want nothing to do with this. Similarly to why I don't run Whatsapp. > I did one corona test and they almost damaged my nose by showing some stuff up > into my brain. Extremely painful, and I had an irritated nose for several days > after that. That's when I decided, no more tests for me. Yeah. (Sorry to hear that.) > But I found a company that did saliva-based tests, and I called a doctor who > watched me perform the saliva based tests on the phone, and eventually she was > so tired of the process that she said, what ever... write your own certificate, > slap my name and signature on it, and just email me if you travel so I know. > > So for 1 years, that's what I did. =D Lol. She got tired. :) I believe I also tired the two pharmacists who did my tests by looking up the sensitivity and the specificity of the tests and then trying to explain to them what it means. That's what they get for holding me for some 20 minutes. > But towards the end they hooked up all testing facilities to some EU > surveillance register, so then it did not work anymore, but it was towards the > end, so I didn't have the energy to get connected to it, but if it would have > continued, I would have started my own corona clinic. That wouldn't been wild. :) >>>>> As for children, no such thing for me, since biologically I have an >>>>> extremely low chance of having children. On the other hand, my parents >>>>> got the same diagnosis from the doctor, and they had me, and the >>>>> doctor said it was not possible according to science, so who knows? ;) >>>> >>>> I am sorry for hearing the news, but I also feel that we should hope for >>>> the best here. I think nobody should trust doctor's predictions. I >>>> certainly don't know the reasons you might have low chance of having >>>> children and let's remember this is a public forum. The subject does me >>>> remind me of a conversation with epidemiologist Shanna Swan, which I >>>> have been slowly rewatching again---it's a 2h conversation. The entire >>>> conversation is very interesting. In this conversation, we can learn >>>> that male fertility is decreasing by 1% *per year*. >>>> >>>> Shanna Swan on male fertility (et cetera) >>>> https://youtu.be/C9aqGqjC1kE >>> >>> I've actually seen the video before, when my wife was the most crazy >>> about our problem. In my case, it is just a chance mutation that >>> resulted in low quality sperm. That's all. It is not impossible, but >>> but very, very low probability of fertilizing eggs. >> >> I'm not a religious person in the traditional sense of the word, but >> turns out I find myself one of the most religious person I've ever met >> because patience, perseverance, lack of ambition and a certain mastery >> of the art of listening seem pretty religious to me. For instance, >> pretty much every religious person I know has at least one tattoo on >> their skin. I think that's totally non-religious because a tattoo >> effectively destroys (at least a bit) something natural that took a >> zillion years to be prepared---to protect the person. I think that if >> God speaks to us at all, it is done through the movement of nature. > > Never been a fan of tattoos. But in my case it is a conservative upbringing > where tattoos where seen as low class. I also grew up in a world that didn't approve them, but I think for the wrong reasons. Today, I don't recommend them for religious reasons. :) Although I'm not religious (at all), I don't think we should destroy the health that's given us at birth. Destroying your skin, even if it's a tiny bit for something so frivolous... It's appalling. > It is strange how things like that still stick with you. On the other > hand, it is permanent, and since I don't have anything permanent to > say, I don't really see why I should get a tattoo. Precisely. ``I would never die for a cause because I might be wrong.'' -- Who said this? The Internet says it was Bertrand Russell. But I don't buy it up front. Even if I had something permanent to say, I could put it in a book and make lots of backups of it. It doesn't have to be on my skin. What about those who wear t-shirts with messages and put stickers in their cars? Why is it that they want to keep shoving the world with their messages? > It was funny, at a consulting gig there was a woke witch, constantly harping on > how evil I was as a white man. Lol. > She tattooed the logo of the company on her arm. Omg. > Then 6 months afte I quit the consulting gig, she kicked her out. They kicked her out. Sad. But pretty typical. > I laughed a lot! What goes around, comes around. I still wonder if she has that > tattoo? =D She could do another one on top, which is a typical thing. But the more you do it, the more it hurts your skin. So if she removed it (somehow) or did something over, it's just getting worse. Sad, but can we do? People can be pretty... You know. >> Lol. I'm saying all of this to say that I would never believe that it's >> really impossible for you to have kids. Life is full of adversities. >> My idea is that we should work on them 'til the end---unconcerned with >> the end result. > > This is a very sound philosophy! I do feel perfectly at ease with either result, > child or no child, but I have told my wife that as long as she wants it, I > support us continuing trying. No matter the outcome, I'm fine with it. She is > not however, which does make me sad. She's not fine with either result? Meaning she wants kids no matter what? >> End results imply a direction, a strategy. >> >> We try to fix the bug in the software because we want to understand what >> caused the bug and how it works. Not because we want the software to be >> flawless. So we don't fret if we can't figure it out, but we always >> work on it. We work directionless because we don't really mind not >> getting to the end result. Anywhere we go is natural enough; it's >> divine enough. > > I think enjoying the process is very conducive to being able to perform the > activity for a long time. It's almost as if you describe some zen like state. There's just no other way, really. In fact, if you're ever struggling to do something, I think it's the perfect sign that something has to change. Surely it doesn't mean that we should just stop doing it. It could be our jobs, for example. But surely something is wrong and then we should have the light to find out what it is and somehow be able to continue on another path. I think life can be pretty joyful. I pray to God (not literally) to help me keep doing what I'm doing because I've been enjoying it. Perhaps, though, there are even new things that I'd enjoy even more. If I need to change my life radically, I will. God should show me the way in His own way. Lol---my language has been getting wildly religious. :)
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 11:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <a8de8bae-f6c8-1dc8-2f6c-7326b45d2d44@example.net> |
| In reply to | #26658 |
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >> It is amazing! It was the 2 worst year of my life, and destryoed my trust in >> democracy. I stopped voting after that. > > I stopped voting by never quite beginning. As soon as I could vote, I > went to live abroad. I got back 10 years later, when I didn't want to > vote anymore. A vote contributes to a perpetuation of a system. > Politicians use our votes to make their money. I want nothing to do > with this. Similarly to why I don't run Whatsapp. Yes, not to perpetuate the system is one of my reasons for not voting. It is funny, when I was young, I was very conservative. And as the years have passed, I've become more libertarian. My father, when he was young, was a communist, and during his life, he becase a moderate conservative. >> But I found a company that did saliva-based tests, and I called a doctor who >> watched me perform the saliva based tests on the phone, and eventually she was >> so tired of the process that she said, what ever... write your own certificate, >> slap my name and signature on it, and just email me if you travel so I know. >> >> So for 1 years, that's what I did. =D > > Lol. She got tired. :) Yep! But the did also not like the vaccine, and let me in on a little secret. About 30% of her clinics staff were not vaccinated because they thought the tests were too few and it was too early. Officially all said they were, and no one spoke about it out of fear of getting kicked out of the clinic, but in private, during hushed lunch conversations, many admitted to not getting vaccinated. >> But towards the end they hooked up all testing facilities to some EU >> surveillance register, so then it did not work anymore, but it was towards the >> end, so I didn't have the energy to get connected to it, but if it would have >> continued, I would have started my own corona clinic. > > That wouldn't been wild. :) Yes. I hope I will never have to. An acquaintance told me about a croatian doctor who earned good money with fake vaccinations of italian patients. Italians who did not enjoy getting vaccinated traveled to croatia to this doctor, he would fake a vaccination, emptying the vials and putting on a fake bandaid and all, enter "all good" into the EU system, and that was it. >> Never been a fan of tattoos. But in my case it is a conservative upbringing >> where tattoos where seen as low class. > > I also grew up in a world that didn't approve them, but I think for the > wrong reasons. Today, I don't recommend them for religious reasons. :) > Although I'm not religious (at all), I don't think we should destroy the > health that's given us at birth. Destroying your skin, even if it's a > tiny bit for something so frivolous... It's appalling. True! >> It is strange how things like that still stick with you. On the other >> hand, it is permanent, and since I don't have anything permanent to >> say, I don't really see why I should get a tattoo. > > Precisely. > > ``I would never die for a cause because I might be wrong.'' > -- Who said this? The Internet says it was Bertrand Russell. > But I don't buy it up front. > > Even if I had something permanent to say, I could put it in a book and > make lots of backups of it. It doesn't have to be on my skin. > > What about those who wear t-shirts with messages and put stickers in > their cars? Why is it that they want to keep shoving the world with > their messages? Good question! >> It was funny, at a consulting gig there was a woke witch, constantly harping on >> how evil I was as a white man. > > Lol. > >> She tattooed the logo of the company on her arm. > > Omg. Yep... clearly not the brightest human being in the world. But in my experience woke-soldiers seldom are. >> Then 6 months afte I quit the consulting gig, she kicked her out. > > They kicked her out. Sad. But pretty typical. > >> I laughed a lot! What goes around, comes around. I still wonder if she has that >> tattoo? =D > > She could do another one on top, which is a typical thing. But the more > you do it, the more it hurts your skin. So if she removed it (somehow) > or did something over, it's just getting worse. > > Sad, but can we do? People can be pretty... You know. > >>> Lol. I'm saying all of this to say that I would never believe that it's >>> really impossible for you to have kids. Life is full of adversities. >>> My idea is that we should work on them 'til the end---unconcerned with >>> the end result. >> >> This is a very sound philosophy! I do feel perfectly at ease with either result, >> child or no child, but I have told my wife that as long as she wants it, I >> support us continuing trying. No matter the outcome, I'm fine with it. She is >> not however, which does make me sad. > > She's not fine with either result? Meaning she wants kids no matter > what? Well, not no matter what, but let's say there is a very strong desire there. >>> End results imply a direction, a strategy. >>> >>> We try to fix the bug in the software because we want to understand what >>> caused the bug and how it works. Not because we want the software to be >>> flawless. So we don't fret if we can't figure it out, but we always >>> work on it. We work directionless because we don't really mind not >>> getting to the end result. Anywhere we go is natural enough; it's >>> divine enough. >> >> I think enjoying the process is very conducive to being able to perform the >> activity for a long time. It's almost as if you describe some zen like state. > > There's just no other way, really. In fact, if you're ever struggling > to do something, I think it's the perfect sign that something has to > change. Surely it doesn't mean that we should just stop doing it. It > could be our jobs, for example. But surely something is wrong and then > we should have the light to find out what it is and somehow be able to > continue on another path. This is good wisdom. A certain amount of friction and fighting is healthy and necessary in order to make progress... but there also needs to be some kind of "meta-awareness" so that you don't keep bashing your head against the wall, but realize that a different approach might be in order eventually. > I think life can be pretty joyful. I pray to God (not literally) to > help me keep doing what I'm doing because I've been enjoying it. > Perhaps, though, there are even new things that I'd enjoy even more. If > I need to change my life radically, I will. God should show me the way > in His own way. Lol---my language has been getting wildly religious. :) Yes, I'm generally a happy camper. Especially since I struck out on my own. That made a huge difference to me in terms of life satisfaction. Working from home, setting my own schedule, choosing my customers, building up a great team of technologists and business partners, it all has made a huge difference. Despite not being religious I am thankful every single day.
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-25 11:58 -0300 |
| Subject | OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) |
| Message-ID | <87zfiaqdfj.fsf_-_@example.com> |
| In reply to | #26668 |
D <nospam@example.net> writes: > On Mon, 24 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: > >>> It is amazing! It was the 2 worst year of my life, and destryoed my >>> trust in democracy. I stopped voting after that. >> >> I stopped voting by never quite beginning. As soon as I could vote, I >> went to live abroad. I got back 10 years later, when I didn't want to >> vote anymore. A vote contributes to a perpetuation of a system. >> Politicians use our votes to make their money. I want nothing to do >> with this. Similarly to why I don't run Whatsapp. > > Yes, not to perpetuate the system is one of my reasons for not > voting. It is funny, when I was young, I was very conservative. And as > the years have passed, I've become more libertarian. My father, when > he was young, was a communist, and during his life, he becase a > moderate conservative. I can say the same. I was quite more leftist years ago. It is very sensible: if people need protection, say, it makes perfect sense that we'd use our resources to protect them. But then, with more experience, you realize how non-trivial the situation is and that all of the /sensible/ policy actually ends up working against itself. >>> But I found a company that did saliva-based tests, and I called a >>> doctor who watched me perform the saliva based tests on the phone, >>> and eventually she was so tired of the process that she said, what >>> ever... write your own certificate, slap my name and signature on >>> it, and just email me if you travel so I know. >>> >>> So for 1 years, that's what I did. =D >> >> Lol. She got tired. :) > > Yep! But the did also not like the vaccine, and let me in on a little > secret. About 30% of her clinics staff were not vaccinated because > they thought the tests were too few and it was too early. Officially > all said they were, and no one spoke about it out of fear of getting > kicked out of the clinic, but in private, during hushed lunch > conversations, many admitted to not getting vaccinated. Very interesting. I have a similar experience. Every now and then I hear from someone that they did not take any vaccine, or took one the first shots, giving up afterwards. Some (sadly) remark that they took a first shot (or a few shots) but they never wanted to. I have a very close friend, for instance, who said she wouldn't take anything at all, but that her son unfortunately took because he wanted to go to the cinema. (I almost couldn't believe what I heard.) Another friend remarked that she took three shots because she couldn't find a way out due to her work---but she works in the same organization as I do. The rules were the same for the two of us, so that's a case of unclear understanding of the rules. That's something I've been telling my family for many years. We need to understand how the system works---in this case, what was available at our work place that we could use to protect ourselves? The more we understand, the better we can protect ourselves. >>> But towards the end they hooked up all testing facilities to some EU >>> surveillance register, so then it did not work anymore, but it was >>> towards the >>> end, so I didn't have the energy to get connected to it, but if it would have >>> continued, I would have started my own corona clinic. >> >> That [would have] been wild. :) Fixing my typo above. Instead of ``have'', I effectively added ``not''. > Yes. I hope I will never have to. An acquaintance told me about a > croatian doctor who earned good money with fake vaccinations of > italian patients. Italians who did not enjoy getting vaccinated > traveled to croatia to this doctor, he would fake a vaccination, > emptying the vials and putting on a fake bandaid and all, enter "all > good" into the EU system, and that was it. I think the fake vaccinations certificates can be seen as self defense. It's harder to argue for the profit generated. Perhaps one line of defense is to make everything look perfectly normal for a perfect self defense strategy. >>> Then 6 months afte I quit the consulting gig, she kicked her out. >> >> They kicked her out. Sad. But pretty typical. >> >>> I laughed a lot! What goes around, comes around. I still wonder if >>> she has that >>> tattoo? =D >> >> She could do another one on top, which is a typical thing. But the more >> you do it, the more it hurts your skin. So if she removed it (somehow) >> or did something over, it's just getting worse. >> >> Sad, but can we do? People can be pretty... You know. >> >>>> Lol. I'm saying all of this to say that I would never believe that it's >>>> really impossible for you to have kids. Life is full of adversities. >>>> My idea is that we should work on them 'til the end---unconcerned with >>>> the end result. >>> >>> This is a very sound philosophy! I do feel perfectly at ease with >>> either result, child or no child, but I have told my wife that as >>> long as she wants it, I support us continuing trying. No matter the >>> outcome, I'm fine with it. She is not however, which does make me >>> sad. >> >> She's not fine with either result? Meaning she wants kids no matter >> what? > > Well, not no matter what, but let's say there is a very strong desire there. Which is understandable. Desires are something to pay very close attention to. I believe that sometimes a desire is really a call from nature---not to say religious words here as I've been too religious lately. :) But sometimes a desire is really pathological pleasure seeking. You know, you eat a chocolate, which feels awesome, and then on the next day you want it again, and then again and again and again... Even if it's not in excessive amounts, that's very likely a repetitive search for pleasure, which might be more properly classified as a dysfunction than something natural, but that's for the experts to consider, not me. So I pay very close attention to myself. I do want kids and I seriously want it. But let's have a look at another side. I have a close friend who in years past worked on a non-governmental organization for empowering women. We've had lots of conversation about her work, which was always very interesting to me. One time she remarked that in poor areas, young women often want to have kids because it gives them a status in their community. Women with kids are seen as more respectful because they have to take care of kids and all that comes with it. She then concluded the story by remarking that, consequently, many young women end up having kids without really wishing for the kids themselves. In such cases, I can't say the desire to have kids is healthy. So desires are complicated matters to be paid close attention.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2025-02-26 13:21 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) |
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2025, Salvador Mirzo wrote: >> Yes, not to perpetuate the system is one of my reasons for not >> voting. It is funny, when I was young, I was very conservative. And as >> the years have passed, I've become more libertarian. My father, when >> he was young, was a communist, and during his life, he becase a >> moderate conservative. > > I can say the same. I was quite more leftist years ago. It is very > sensible: if people need protection, say, it makes perfect sense that > we'd use our resources to protect them. But then, with more experience, > you realize how non-trivial the situation is and that all of the > /sensible/ policy actually ends up working against itself. Many good hearted leftists are leftists because they cannot see or do not think about second order, or third order, or N order effects. They get stuck at the immediate problem and do not think of how the consequences of their immediate, knee jerk, solution will cause more pain down the line. This is sad. =( Then of course you have evil leftists who are fully aware of this, and are leftists due to political power gains. >>>> But I found a company that did saliva-based tests, and I called a >>>> doctor who watched me perform the saliva based tests on the phone, >>>> and eventually she was so tired of the process that she said, what >>>> ever... write your own certificate, slap my name and signature on >>>> it, and just email me if you travel so I know. >>>> >>>> So for 1 years, that's what I did. =D >>> >>> Lol. She got tired. :) >> >> Yep! But the did also not like the vaccine, and let me in on a little >> secret. About 30% of her clinics staff were not vaccinated because >> they thought the tests were too few and it was too early. Officially >> all said they were, and no one spoke about it out of fear of getting >> kicked out of the clinic, but in private, during hushed lunch >> conversations, many admitted to not getting vaccinated. > > Very interesting. I have a similar experience. Every now and then I > hear from someone that they did not take any vaccine, or took one the > first shots, giving up afterwards. Some (sadly) remark that they took a > first shot (or a few shots) but they never wanted to. I have a very > close friend, for instance, who said she wouldn't take anything at all, > but that her son unfortunately took because he wanted to go to the > cinema. (I almost couldn't believe what I heard.) Another friend > remarked that she took three shots because she couldn't find a way out > due to her work---but she works in the same organization as I do. The > rules were the same for the two of us, so that's a case of unclear > understanding of the rules. That's something I've been telling my > family for many years. We need to understand how the system works---in > this case, what was available at our work place that we could use to > protect ourselves? The more we understand, the better we can protect > ourselves. I heard about a woman who was kicked out of blue shield due to not taking vaccines. She won a law suit and got millions in damages! =D There is hope! >>>> But towards the end they hooked up all testing facilities to some EU >>>> surveillance register, so then it did not work anymore, but it was >>>> towards the >>>> end, so I didn't have the energy to get connected to it, but if it would have >>>> continued, I would have started my own corona clinic. >>> >>> That [would have] been wild. :) > > Fixing my typo above. Instead of ``have'', I effectively added ``not''. > >> Yes. I hope I will never have to. An acquaintance told me about a >> croatian doctor who earned good money with fake vaccinations of >> italian patients. Italians who did not enjoy getting vaccinated >> traveled to croatia to this doctor, he would fake a vaccination, >> emptying the vials and putting on a fake bandaid and all, enter "all >> good" into the EU system, and that was it. > > I think the fake vaccinations certificates can be seen as self defense. > It's harder to argue for the profit generated. Perhaps one line of > defense is to make everything look perfectly normal for a perfect self > defense strategy. True. The profits can be used to develop privacy respecting services and make sure people have options if a similar pandemic occurs again. >>>> Then 6 months afte I quit the consulting gig, she kicked her out. >>> >>> They kicked her out. Sad. But pretty typical. >>> >>>> I laughed a lot! What goes around, comes around. I still wonder if >>>> she has that >>>> tattoo? =D >>> >>> She could do another one on top, which is a typical thing. But the more >>> you do it, the more it hurts your skin. So if she removed it (somehow) >>> or did something over, it's just getting worse. >>> >>> Sad, but can we do? People can be pretty... You know. >>> >>>>> Lol. I'm saying all of this to say that I would never believe that it's >>>>> really impossible for you to have kids. Life is full of adversities. >>>>> My idea is that we should work on them 'til the end---unconcerned with >>>>> the end result. >>>> >>>> This is a very sound philosophy! I do feel perfectly at ease with >>>> either result, child or no child, but I have told my wife that as >>>> long as she wants it, I support us continuing trying. No matter the >>>> outcome, I'm fine with it. She is not however, which does make me >>>> sad. >>> >>> She's not fine with either result? Meaning she wants kids no matter >>> what? >> >> Well, not no matter what, but let's say there is a very strong desire there. > > Which is understandable. Desires are something to pay very close > attention to. I believe that sometimes a desire is really a call from > nature---not to say religious words here as I've been too religious > lately. :) But sometimes a desire is really pathological pleasure > seeking. You know, you eat a chocolate, which feels awesome, and then > on the next day you want it again, and then again and again and again... > Even if it's not in excessive amounts, that's very likely a repetitive > search for pleasure, which might be more properly classified as a > dysfunction than something natural, but that's for the experts to > consider, not me. > > So I pay very close attention to myself. I do want kids and I seriously > want it. But let's have a look at another side. I have a close friend > who in years past worked on a non-governmental organization for > empowering women. We've had lots of conversation about her work, which > was always very interesting to me. One time she remarked that in poor > areas, young women often want to have kids because it gives them a > status in their community. Women with kids are seen as more respectful > because they have to take care of kids and all that comes with it. She > then concluded the story by remarking that, consequently, many young > women end up having kids without really wishing for the kids themselves. > > In such cases, I can't say the desire to have kids is healthy. So > desires are complicated matters to be paid close attention. True!
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