Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix

From	kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix
Date	2023-12-05 17:07 +0000
Organization	Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000)
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In article <87wmttqsht.fsf@yaxenu.org>, Julieta Shem  <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
>kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
>
>> Julieta Shem  <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>Nothing at all.  Why don't USENET administrators deny relaying to 
>>>Google?  Perhaps because at least one of them doesn't agree with that? 
>>>Perhaps because Google pays someone to get the messages?  Because, look, 
>>>if I were an NNTP administrator, I would not let Google download 
>>>anything from me. :-)
>>
>> Plenty admins do exactly that.  Tell yours to do so.  But there are many
>> sites that have dropped google postings for years.
>> --scott
>
>My server is Eternal September's.  I went to their website and saw their
>mentioning news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  There's a recent there about
>this very subject and you're in it.  I'd think Eternal September is well
>aware of it all way more than I am.

Eternal September is doing a pretty good job of filtering the crap, but
they are a large site which has a lot of labour available to manage 
filters.   You can be sure when a group like comp.protocols.time.ntp which
normally gets one or two posts a month suddenly jumps up to getting three
to ten thousand a day that something spam-related is going on.

Most smaller sites don't have that kind of labour available and are more
likely to just block Google Groups entirely.  Many have been doing it for
years, long before the current spam event.

However, with the recent spam attack going on in the past month, there have
been some very interesting advancements in cancellation, with most of the
spam being marked out in nocem messages that have relatively few false
positives.  So this is a viable middle road for smaller sites that don't
want to dump all google traffic but which don't have the labour to constantly
monitor traffic.
--scott
-- 
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2023-08-30 22:05 +0100
  Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-08-30 22:45 +0100
    Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com> - 2023-08-30 18:47 -0400
      Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-30 23:31 +0000
      Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 09:08 +0200
      Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 09:38 -0500
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 16:43 +0200
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 09:52 -0500
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 17:05 +0200
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 09:43 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 14:53 -0500
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-08-31 22:07 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 13:11 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:49 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 08:39 +0200
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us - 2023-09-06 17:41 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:25 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-03 23:12 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:36 -0300
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 09:35 -0700
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 19:34 +0200
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-08-31 18:09 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-08-31 22:24 +0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-08-31 20:44 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:57 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 07:59 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 11:57 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 15:57 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-04 20:21 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-03 23:17 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-10-15 14:06 +0000
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-08-31 18:53 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:44 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 08:41 +0200
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us - 2023-09-06 17:48 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-09-06 17:58 +0000
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-08-31 22:26 +0300
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-08-31 19:33 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:48 -0700
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 21:39 +0200
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-08-31 22:23 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:53 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 00:31 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 16:45 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-01 11:29 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 13:32 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 01:02 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 08:09 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-05 00:57 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-04 23:43 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-05 09:55 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-12-05 11:07 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-05 17:07 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-05 19:08 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 08:43 +0200
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 12:25 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 13:40 +0200
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 13:39 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 14:46 +0200
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 14:17 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com> - 2023-09-02 09:53 -0400
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-02 18:27 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-04 12:03 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-09-05 09:52 -0500
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 12:43 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-04 12:04 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-04 13:26 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-04 13:11 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 19:39 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 09:51 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 21:45 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-09-06 12:54 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-09-07 08:16 +1000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com> - 2023-09-05 08:24 -0400
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 12:47 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 14:20 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 16:34 +0000
                Filtering googlegroups. [was: Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix] Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-02 15:07 +0000
                Re: Filtering googlegroups. [was: Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix] Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 12:29 +0000
                Re: Filtering googlegroups. [was: Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-09-03 18:08 +0000
                Re: Filtering googlegroups. [was: Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 11:26 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-02 13:42 +0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-02 13:46 +0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 12:19 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-09-03 18:13 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-10-15 14:07 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2023-10-16 13:28 +0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-10-16 15:18 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2023-10-16 18:53 +0300
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:30 -0700
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:46 -0300
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-12-03 09:13 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2023-12-03 14:45 -0600
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-04 10:35 +0000
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 17:37 +0000
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:44 -0300
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-04 10:06 +0000
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com> - 2023-08-31 13:23 -0400
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 14:43 -0500
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix John McCue <jmccue@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> - 2023-09-01 00:04 +0000
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 01:24 +0100
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix John McCue <jmccue@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> - 2023-09-01 00:59 +0000
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix John McCue <jmccue@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> - 2023-09-01 00:25 +0000
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2023-09-07 17:40 +0300
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-01 11:33 +0000
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:22 -0300
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-12-03 10:35 +0000
      Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:11 -0300
  Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 09:48 +0200

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