Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix

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From	not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject	Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix
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Date	2023-09-07 08:16 +1000
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Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:39:26 -0700
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I asked it for specific information about which I knew the actual facts. 
>>   It made shit up out of whole cloth.  Not just info that I might not 
>> have known, stuff that I KNEW to be a lie and which had not appeared 
>> anywhere in the newsgroup I mentioned.
> 
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence) :
>    Asked for proof that dinosaurs built a civilization, ChatGPT claimed
>    there were fossil remains of dinosaur tools and stated "Some species of
>    dinosaurs even developed primitive forms of art, such as engravings on
>    stones".^[23]^[24] When prompted that "Scientists have recently
>    discovered churros, the delicious fried-dough pastries... (are) ideal
>    tools for home surgery", ChatGPT claimed that a "study published in the
>    journal Science" found that the dough is pliable enough to form into
>    surgical instruments that can get into hard-to-reach places, and that the
>    flavor has a calming effect on patients.^[25] ^[26]
> 
> [I haven't checked the references]

Seems like it's quite similar to web search results - questions
that it doesn't find a good match for get answered with a whole lot
of nonsense. The difference is that with web searches you see that
the context of the results is completely irrelevent, but the
chatbots assemble the matching bits of the nonsense without that
context and you end up without a reference point.

It means that it's actually relying on the question/s for a lot of
the intelligence. Examples online suggest that pointing out flaws
can cause it to revise its answers, not unlike revising a web
search string, just more interactive (and misleading).

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USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2023-08-30 22:05 +0100
  Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-08-30 22:45 +0100
    Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com> - 2023-08-30 18:47 -0400
      Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-30 23:31 +0000
      Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 09:08 +0200
      Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 09:38 -0500
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 16:43 +0200
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 09:52 -0500
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 17:05 +0200
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 09:43 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 14:53 -0500
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-08-31 22:07 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 13:11 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:49 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 08:39 +0200
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us - 2023-09-06 17:41 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:25 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-03 23:12 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:36 -0300
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 09:35 -0700
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 19:34 +0200
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-08-31 18:09 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-08-31 22:24 +0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-08-31 20:44 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:57 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 07:59 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 11:57 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 15:57 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-04 20:21 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-03 23:17 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-10-15 14:06 +0000
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-08-31 18:53 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:44 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 08:41 +0200
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us - 2023-09-06 17:48 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-09-06 17:58 +0000
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-08-31 22:26 +0300
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-08-31 19:33 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:48 -0700
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 21:39 +0200
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-08-31 22:23 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:53 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 00:31 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 16:45 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-01 11:29 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 13:32 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 01:02 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 08:09 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-05 00:57 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-04 23:43 -0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-05 09:55 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-12-05 11:07 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-12-05 17:07 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-05 19:08 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 08:43 +0200
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 12:25 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 13:40 +0200
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 13:39 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-09-01 14:46 +0200
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 14:17 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com> - 2023-09-02 09:53 -0400
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-02 18:27 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-04 12:03 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-09-05 09:52 -0500
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 12:43 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-04 12:04 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-04 13:26 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-04 13:11 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 19:39 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 09:51 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 21:45 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-09-06 12:54 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2023-09-07 08:16 +1000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com> - 2023-09-05 08:24 -0400
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 12:47 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 14:20 +0100
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 16:34 +0000
                Filtering googlegroups. [was: Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix] Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-02 15:07 +0000
                Re: Filtering googlegroups. [was: Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix] Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 12:29 +0000
                Re: Filtering googlegroups. [was: Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-09-03 18:08 +0000
                Re: Filtering googlegroups. [was: Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix] The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 11:26 -0700
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-02 13:42 +0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2023-09-02 13:46 +0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 12:19 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-09-03 18:13 +0000
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-10-15 14:07 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2023-10-16 13:28 +0300
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2023-10-16 15:18 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2023-10-16 18:53 +0300
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 15:30 -0700
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:46 -0300
              Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-12-03 09:13 +0000
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2023-12-03 14:45 -0600
                Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-04 10:35 +0000
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 17:37 +0000
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:44 -0300
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-12-04 10:06 +0000
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com> - 2023-08-31 13:23 -0400
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> - 2023-08-31 14:43 -0500
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix John McCue <jmccue@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> - 2023-09-01 00:04 +0000
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2023-09-01 01:24 +0100
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix John McCue <jmccue@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> - 2023-09-01 00:59 +0000
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix John McCue <jmccue@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> - 2023-09-01 00:25 +0000
            Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2023-09-07 17:40 +0300
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2023-09-01 11:33 +0000
        Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:22 -0300
          Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-12-03 10:35 +0000
      Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-03 00:11 -0300
  Re: USENET, the OG social network, rises again like a text-only phoenix Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-08-31 09:48 +0200

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