Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?

From	Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net>
Newsgroups	comp.misc, alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: [CM] What was your first home computer?
Date	2017-04-18 15:44 -0400
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:45:25 +0100, Ian McCall wrote:
>
> On 2017-04-17 19:05:57 +0000, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> said:
>
>> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 11:01:58 +0000, RS Wood wrote:
>>>
>>> We've recently seen stories about old computers and sys-ops resurrecting 1980s
>>> BBS's, but now an anonymous reader has a question for all Slashdot readers:
>>> Whenever I meet geeks, there's one question that always gets a reaction: Do you
>>> remember your first home computer? This usually provokes a flood of fond
>>> memories about primitive specs -- limited RAM, bad graphics, and early versions
>>> of long-since-abandoned operating systems.
>>
>> This depends on the point of view. For many of us Commodore 64 users
>> (my first love btw.) with its 64K (while many others had still 16K) was
>> top of the line. And have you seen this smooth scrolling in Game XYZ?
>> Awesome!
>
> Commodore pulled a bit of a con trick here though - it had 32k by most
> system's standards, with the other 32k being ROM. In terms of usable
> memory 32k put it on a par with the BBC B and behind my own first
> computer, the ZX Spectrum 48k.

The ROM was "shadowed" into the RAM, no?. But if you wanted you actually
have far RAM for you own. Assuming you wrote your own service routines
and stuff the C64 usually does itself you might get some 60K.

BASIC announced "38911 BASIC BYTES FREE", which is already more than
32K. If you don't need BASIC (thus the "C64 command line") at all you can
use this space too. Don't need screen output? You can blank the screen so
no one sees the garbage writing program data into screen RAM at 1024-2023
($0400-$07E7) and have yet another 1K RAM for yourself. Plenty of more
options.
-- 
Andreas
You know you are a redneck if
you ever been arrested for relieving yourself in an ice machine.

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[CM] What was your first home computer? RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2017-04-17 11:01 +0000
  Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-04-17 15:05 -0400
    Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2017-04-18 11:45 +0100
      Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com> - 2017-04-18 11:14 -0400
        Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2017-04-18 15:27 +0000
          Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2017-04-18 15:47 +0000
          Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com> - 2017-04-18 11:52 -0400
            Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2017-04-18 14:46 -0400
              Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Nyssa <Nyssa@flawlesslogic.com> - 2017-04-18 16:52 -0400
        Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2017-04-18 14:40 -0400
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                Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-04-21 15:01 -0400
                Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2017-04-21 23:35 +0300
      Re: [CM] What was your first home computer? Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2017-04-18 15:44 -0400
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