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Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> writes:

> Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> writes:
>
>> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 10:39:28 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-01-30, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> This is really a rant - venting to release some of the frustration.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in the process of selling my house, and I need somewhere secure to 
>>>>> hold the proceeds. I decided I'd create a account with a bank I don't 
>>>>> otherwise bank with, and interact online with it using a live-DVD on a 
>>>>> system that has no storage. So no risk of key loggers or other hacks. 
>>>>> I'd remember the strong password, and not have it written down anywhere.
>>>> 
>>>> Until you don't remember it, then what?
>>>> 
>>>> Because let's face it, eventually we all forget the password.
>>>
>>> That's a very presumptuous thing to say. I have my own ways of storing and
>>> retrieving passwords (which may include just my memory) and I'm confident
>>> they are secure and reliable enough. So don't include me in your "we".
>>>
>>> I share Sylvia's frustration and it's not just with banks.
>> 
>> I share Sylvia's frustration as well.  It's not just with banks.  Things
>> are become ever more centralized.  Centralization designs products and
>> services to the average customer and business invest in shaping people
>> so that if fits their business model.  Along with that new cultural
>> values appear.  People seem a lot less interested in serving people.  We
>> have to fit in with the system now.  People who keep their individuality
>> are nuisance to the system.
>
> From the POV of finance (see "financialization of everything",
> elsewhere) employees, customers, clients and also product, tangible or
> otherwise, are externalities.

That's a paragraph to the expert.  I had to read on ``financialization
of everything'' and get a definition of externality.  But, okay, I
understand the connection now.  If customers and products are
externalities, then I think we are in agreement---businesses are not
really interested in what they're doing, which explains why so many of
them try various things until they finally ``succeeed''.  It doesn't
really matter how they get there.

>> I wonder what happens in the limiting case.
>
> The ultimate promise of the computer, from the earliest days that its
> development attracted corporate money, was, "Turn it on; money comes
> out".  Cryptocurrency is the closest we've come to this ideal but it's
> not without problems.  Morphing everything that everybody does into a
> digital transaction, to the internal mechanisms of which no one [1] has
> access, gradually expunging other routines for "what everybody does",
> appears to be the leading candidate.

You might be quite right.

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