Path: csiph.com!1.us.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Julieta Shem Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Using SMS for password reset. Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:57:09 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 58 Message-ID: <87o7d1ql0a.fsf@yaxenu.org> References: <87y1c6vkps.fsf@yaxenu.org> <8734uextmd.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a6591e681aa78d410acecfdfd502f4f2"; logging-data="1780974"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18odSba5HU4y/ewji5Yf/q5cz1b1w7EOZo=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:KHl8pszFaXiwOYTbFs11+vU3aIs= sha1:Fu5OL7XZc+u96zrVEMwb/uadLSc= Xref: csiph.com comp.misc:23894 Mike Spencer writes: > Julieta Shem writes: > >> Spiros Bousbouras writes: >> >>> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 10:39:28 -0000 (UTC) >>> Dan Purgert wrote: >>>> On 2024-01-30, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>> This is really a rant - venting to release some of the frustration. >>>>> >>>>> I'm in the process of selling my house, and I need somewhere secure to >>>>> hold the proceeds. I decided I'd create a account with a bank I don't >>>>> otherwise bank with, and interact online with it using a live-DVD on a >>>>> system that has no storage. So no risk of key loggers or other hacks. >>>>> I'd remember the strong password, and not have it written down anywhere. >>>> >>>> Until you don't remember it, then what? >>>> >>>> Because let's face it, eventually we all forget the password. >>> >>> That's a very presumptuous thing to say. I have my own ways of storing and >>> retrieving passwords (which may include just my memory) and I'm confident >>> they are secure and reliable enough. So don't include me in your "we". >>> >>> I share Sylvia's frustration and it's not just with banks. >> >> I share Sylvia's frustration as well. It's not just with banks. Things >> are become ever more centralized. Centralization designs products and >> services to the average customer and business invest in shaping people >> so that if fits their business model. Along with that new cultural >> values appear. People seem a lot less interested in serving people. We >> have to fit in with the system now. People who keep their individuality >> are nuisance to the system. > > From the POV of finance (see "financialization of everything", > elsewhere) employees, customers, clients and also product, tangible or > otherwise, are externalities. That's a paragraph to the expert. I had to read on ``financialization of everything'' and get a definition of externality. But, okay, I understand the connection now. If customers and products are externalities, then I think we are in agreement---businesses are not really interested in what they're doing, which explains why so many of them try various things until they finally ``succeeed''. It doesn't really matter how they get there. >> I wonder what happens in the limiting case. > > The ultimate promise of the computer, from the earliest days that its > development attracted corporate money, was, "Turn it on; money comes > out". Cryptocurrency is the closest we've come to this ideal but it's > not without problems. Morphing everything that everybody does into a > digital transaction, to the internal mechanisms of which no one [1] has > access, gradually expunging other routines for "what everybody does", > appears to be the leading candidate. You might be quite right.