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Re: Damned Windows Bloat

From	Joe <joecool@ihaveenoughspam.net>
Subject	Re: Damned Windows Bloat
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Date	2016-09-12 21:30 +0000

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Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:
> On 12/09/2016 8:40 PM, Rich wrote:
>> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/09/2016 09:16, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> I wondered why my aging Windows 7 laptop was struggling to the point
>>>> of unusability.  I discovered that by the time it lets me do
>>>> anything after booting, it's already loaded 1.8Gb of junk into its
>>>> 2Gb memory.
>>>
>>> That's 1.8GB after a full restart?
>>> ...
>>> I suggest some of that might be apps that load themselves, which
>>> might not be to do with Windows itself.  Use the Task Manager to have
>>> a look (Shift-Ctrl-Escape).  Click 'Processes' tab then the box 'Show
>>> processes from all users'.
>>
>> This is very possible, as nearly every third party program that one
>> might install all end with a screen much like this:
>>
>>    X - automatically start "this wonderful app"
>>
>>    X - add a desktop shortcut for "this wonderful app"
>>
>>    X - add "this wonderful app" to the start menu
>>
>> Where all of the options are checked on by default such that if one is
>> not careful, after installing everything necessary to convert a plain,
>> rather useless, basic windows install into a useful system, one is also
>> auto-starting 10 or 20 different app's into the background (even though
>> one might only use 1 or 2 of them together in any given moment).
>>
> 
> I routinely turn off the desktop shortcuts, but I doubt that they cause 
> much bloat (even Windows surely doesn't need to read the entire thing 
> just to find the icon).
> 
> I suspect a big culprit are auto-updaters that are unreasonably large.
> 
> On seeing how (relatively) responsive the system was in safe mode, I 
> contemplated just running in that mode all the time.
> 
> Sylvia.

Prefetching and Windows Search are the two things I shut off first on
slow systems. But yeah they run some crazy updater in background on W10
that grinds things to a halt, I'm assuming it's for Windows Defender
but haven't nailed it down yet. W7's updater was worse though, new
installs there's a pack of like 5 KB's I need to install *before* 
updating.

Most of those options taking forever to load up are on memory contrained
systems that need to swap out to disk (ssd or hdd). Browsers are the
worst for eating memory, I'm split between W7 with Palemoon or W10 with
Edge for mem constrained systems. Forget Chrome or Firefox.

Joe

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Damned Windows Bloat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-12 18:16 +1000
  Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-12 10:50 +0100
    Re: Damned Windows Bloat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-12 20:21 +1000
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-09-17 14:12 +0100
        Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-17 17:06 +0100
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-09-17 15:30 -0300
            Re: Damned Windows Bloat Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-09-17 21:17 +0000
              Re: Damned Windows Bloat Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-09-17 21:47 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-09-17 22:06 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-09-17 23:02 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-09-18 08:45 +0100
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-09-18 09:06 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-09-18 14:54 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2016-09-18 17:45 +0200
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-09-18 17:07 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-09-18 17:20 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-09-18 17:21 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-09-18 17:19 -0300
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-09-18 23:38 +0300
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 17:49 -0700
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2016-09-18 22:26 +0200
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 13:29 -0700
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-09-18 22:34 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-09-18 18:45 +0200
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2016-10-02 11:54 +0000
                [OT] light Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> - 2016-10-01 14:48 +0000
                Re: [OT] light Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2016-10-02 13:39 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 10:12 -0700
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-09-18 17:15 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 12:54 -0700
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-09-18 22:47 +0000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-09-18 17:24 -0300
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-09-18 23:01 +0000
            Re: Damned Windows Bloat Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2016-09-18 00:42 +0000
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-17 23:30 +0100
    Re: Damned Windows Bloat Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-09-12 10:35 +0000
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-09-12 10:54 +0000
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-12 18:38 +0100
        Re: Damned Windows Bloat Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-09-12 19:43 +0000
        Re: Damned Windows Bloat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-13 12:11 +1000
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-09-12 21:13 +0000
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2016-10-02 13:48 +0000
    Re: Damned Windows Bloat Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-09-12 10:40 +0000
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-12 23:25 +1000
        Re: Damned Windows Bloat Joe <joecool@ihaveenoughspam.net> - 2016-09-12 21:30 +0000
  Re: Damned Windows Bloat Batchman <batchman@fastmail.fm> - 2016-09-13 09:37 +1000
  Re: Damned Windows Bloat Batchman <batchman@fastmail.fm> - 2016-09-13 11:13 +1000
    Re: Damned Windows Bloat Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-14 08:47 +0100
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat Batchman <batchman@fastmail.fm> - 2016-09-15 14:45 +1000
        Re: Damned Windows Bloat Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-16 16:16 +0100
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-09-16 16:49 +0000
            Re: Damned Windows Bloat Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-09-16 18:44 -0400
              Re: Damned Windows Bloat Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-09-17 09:27 +0000
            Re: Damned Windows Bloat Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-09-17 11:04 +0200
              Re: Damned Windows Bloat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-18 19:22 +1000
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-18 11:58 +0100
                Re: Damned Windows Bloat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-18 21:33 +1000
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-09-17 11:25 +0200
  Re: Damned Windows Bloat polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2016-09-13 07:38 +0100
    Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-13 10:59 +0100
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2016-09-13 19:20 +0100
    Re: Damned Windows Bloat RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-09-14 13:17 -0400
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-09-14 14:59 -0400
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-09-15 11:38 +0100
        Re: Damned Windows Bloat polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2016-09-15 19:45 +0100
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 14:14 -0700
            Re: Damned Windows Bloat Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-09-15 20:20 -0400
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-09-15 11:43 +0000
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-09-16 15:41 -0400
        Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-16 23:56 +0100
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-09-16 19:51 -0400
            Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-17 13:09 +0100
              Re: Damned Windows Bloat Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2016-09-17 10:26 -0400
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-17 14:39 +1000
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-09-17 11:14 +0200
  Re: Damned Windows Bloat Vladimir Vučićević <vladimir@vucicevic.iz.rs> - 2016-09-14 15:21 +0200
  Re: Damned Windows Bloat Batchman <batchman@fastmail.fm> - 2016-09-16 14:59 +1000
    Re: Damned Windows Bloat "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-09-16 11:58 +0100
  Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-19 23:57 +0100
    Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-20 22:19 +0100
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2016-10-21 01:59 +0000
        Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-21 13:45 +0100
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2016-10-21 14:24 -0300
            Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-21 20:46 +0100
            Re: Damned Windows Bloat Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2016-10-21 22:58 -0400
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat Peter Mc Donough <mcd-mail-lists@gmx.net> - 2016-10-21 21:58 +0200
  Re: Damned Windows Bloat bashley@gmail.com - 2016-10-21 14:26 -0700
    Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-22 01:11 +0100
      Re: Damned Windows Bloat The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 23:01 -0700
        Re: Damned Windows Bloat BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-22 11:52 +0100
          Re: Damned Windows Bloat The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 20:37 -0700

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