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Re: Truly Random Numbers On A Quantum Computer??

From Toaster <toaster@dne3.net>
Newsgroups comp.misc
Subject Re: Truly Random Numbers On A Quantum Computer??
Date 2025-04-04 20:16 -0400
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2025 09:11:47 -0400 (EDT)
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

> Richard Kettlewell  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
> >> Exactly! All the stuff about lava lamps, helium motion inside hard
> >> disks, etc is just gimmicks. Real random numbers are tiny
> >> electronic
> >                                                 ^generators
> >> components built into CPUs, HSMs, etc.
> >
> >Strictly I should probably say “entropy sourcesâ€_, since there’s
> >generally a DRBG between the electronics and the application, as
> >well.
> 
> The problem with those genuine random number generators is that they
> are usually comparatively slow.  They take milliseconds to spit out a
> number, sometimes tens or even hundreds of them.  So we use the
> genuine RNG to seed a PNG in situations where we don't need complete
> randomness but need pretty good randomness and need a lot of it fast.
>  Knuth has a discussion of this.
> --scott

im no expert but can't you just amplify thermal (white) noise and just
sample it? it's completely random.

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    Re: Truly Random Numbers On A Quantum Computer?? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-03-29 11:50 +0000
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                Re: Truly Random Numbers On A Quantum Computer?? kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2025-04-04 20:56 -0400
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