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Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions?

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Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-10-16, Hans-Georg Michna wrote:
> > I think in this discussion the main point is not touched, namely
> > that the use of PGP or, worse, GPG is too awkward for all
> > ordinary mail users. GPG is outright user-hostile.

It's no more hostile than any other command-line tool. I can see how a
Windows victim might consider that hostile, since Windows has brainwashed
most idiots into believing GUI = computer.

Do you really expect something like encryption to be easy? TINSTAAFL!
Encryption does require intelligent, responsible usage to be effective. I
guess that rules it out for Windows victims.

> What's extra bad about gpg?  Surely we are talking about
> - mail clients providing the user interface
> - OpenPGP providing the feature set and terminology
> - pgp or gpg just providing the implementation?
> 
> I don't see any of the gpg user interface when I read/sign mail using
> Mutt.

Right you are! Many mail clients have integrated some form of cryptographic
support to the point even our pal Hans-Georg shouldn't be offended.

> (All this assumes PGP still exists, in a form that's freely available
> and regularly updated.  I was under the impression that it was not --
> the situation here has been very confused for at least 20 years.)

Old versions of PGP still exist and are freely available, and they work
fine. GPG has picked up where they left off and added new ciphers and bug
fixes.

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PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Anonymous <noreply@breaka.net> - 2012-10-09 03:55 -0600
  Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201210.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-10-09 17:47 +0200
    Re: Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201210.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-10-14 05:19 +0200
      Re: Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-10-15 13:29 +0000
    Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-10-29 22:28 +0000
      Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201210.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-10-31 03:06 +0100
  Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Andreas Mattheiss <please.post@publicly.invalid> - 2012-10-11 22:11 +0200
  Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Mail Man <Mail@Man.com> - 2012-10-12 19:24 -0400
    Re: Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-10-13 15:55 +0200
      Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Mail Man <Mail@Man.com> - 2012-10-13 13:00 -0400
        Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Kees Theunissen <theuniss@rijnh.nl> - 2012-10-15 17:49 +0200
          Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Mail Man <Mail@Man.com> - 2012-10-15 16:43 -0400
            Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? "Thor Kottelin" <thor@anta.net> - 2012-10-16 01:19 +0300
              Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Mail Man <Mail@Man.com> - 2012-10-15 19:35 -0400
                Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? "Thor Kottelin" <thor@anta.net> - 2012-10-16 03:39 +0300
                Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Hans-Georg Michna <hans-georgNoEmailPlease@michna.com> - 2012-10-16 13:35 +0200
                Re: Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Andreas Mattheiss <please.post@publicly.invalid> - 2012-10-20 19:01 +0200
                Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-10-29 22:25 +0000
                Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-10-31 08:30 +0000
                Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-10-31 17:25 +0000
                Re: Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Anonymous <noreply@breaka.net> - 2012-11-01 05:25 -0600
                Re: Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-11-01 14:05 +0000
                Re: Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Anonymous <noreply@breaka.net> - 2012-10-25 13:00 -0600
            Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201210.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-10-16 04:16 +0200
              Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Mail Man <Mail@Man.com> - 2012-10-15 23:08 -0400
            Re: Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Anonymous <noreply@breaka.net> - 2012-10-23 10:39 -0600
            Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2012-10-30 23:03 +0000
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    Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-10-20 19:53 +0000
      Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Mail Man <Mail@Man.com> - 2012-10-20 16:43 -0400
    Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201210.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-10-21 09:30 +0200
      Re: PGP tools for dumb users -- suggestions? Mail Man <Mail@Man.com> - 2012-10-21 08:49 -0400

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