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  Ruby Future Or? Robert Johns <piratej74@live.com> - 2011-05-15 06:31 -0500
    Re: Ruby Future Or? John Feminella <johnf@bitsbuilder.com> - 2011-05-15 06:46 -0500
    Re: Ruby Future Or? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-15 14:00 +0200
      Re: Ruby Future Or? Clifford Heath <no@spam.please.net> - 2011-05-15 22:57 +1000
        Re: Ruby Future Or? Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-15 15:37 +0200
    Re: Ruby Future Or? Joel VanderWerf <joelvanderwerf@gmail.com> - 2011-05-15 11:08 -0500
    Re: Ruby Future Or? Stu <stu@rubyprogrammer.net> - 2011-05-15 14:25 -0500
      Re: Ruby Future Or? Daniel Berger <djberg96@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 16:20 -0500
        Re: Ruby Future Or? spiralofhope <spiralofhope_rubyml@lavabit.com> - 2011-05-16 16:49 -0500
          Re: Ruby Future Or? Thiel Chang <schang@wxs.nl> - 2011-05-16 17:17 -0500
            Re: Ruby Future Or? Daniel Berger <djberg96@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 19:54 -0500
        Re: Ruby Future Or? Stu <stu@rubyprogrammer.net> - 2011-05-16 16:58 -0500
        Re: Ruby Future Or? Ralf Mueller <ralf.mueller@zmaw.de> - 2011-05-17 03:06 -0500
          Re: Ruby Future Or? Rimantas Liubertas <rimantas@gmail.com> - 2011-05-17 05:09 -0500
    Re: Ruby Future Or? Vassilis Rizopoulos <eldestdamphyr@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 02:40 -0500
    Re: Ruby Future Or? spiralofhope <spiralofhope_rubyml@lavabit.com> - 2011-05-16 03:30 -0500
      Re: Ruby Future Or? Kirk Haines <wyhaines@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 15:31 -0500
        Re: Ruby Future Or? Kirk Haines <wyhaines@gmail.com> - 2011-05-18 07:28 -0500
    Re: Ruby Future Or? Zach Dennis <zach.dennis@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 17:10 -0500
      Re: Ruby Future Or? Ivan Cenov <i_cenov@botevgrad.com> - 2011-05-18 04:53 -0500
    Re: Ruby Future Or? 7stud -- <bbxx789_05ss@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-17 18:49 -0500
      Re: Ruby Future Or? Sam Duncan <sduncan@wetafx.co.nz> - 2011-05-17 19:04 -0500
      Re: Ruby Future Or? Phillip Gawlowski <cmdjackryan@googlemail.com> - 2011-05-17 19:49 -0500
      Re: Ruby Future Or? Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com> - 2011-05-17 21:05 -0500
        Re: Ruby Future Or? David Jacobs <developer@wit.io> - 2011-05-17 22:34 -0500
      Re: Ruby Future Or? Christopher Dicely <cmdicely@gmail.com> - 2011-05-18 01:21 -0500
    Re: Ruby Future Or? Alexey Petrushin <axyd80@gmail.com> - 2011-05-18 18:21 -0500
    Re: Ruby Future Or? "Markus H." <shevegen@gmail.com> - 2011-05-19 12:51 -0500

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#4559 — Ruby Future Or?

I was thinking today and I was wondering if ruby has a future when
python is being to widely accepted. Outside of rails, because I have no
want to code in rails.

Thanks

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Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

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#4561

I guess it depends on what you mean by "having a future". Ruby's never
going to compete on a performance basis with, say, C or x86, no
matter how good it gets (unless there's a radical transformation in
how the language works). But that's okay, because every language is
good at different things. Ruby is great for a sizable number of those
things (expressive domain modeling, scripting, web applications,
etc.), at the expense of being less good for some of them (shuttle
launch software, onboard missile guidance, etc.).

It's always up to the developer to pick the right tool for the job,
not the popular tool for the job.
--
John Feminella
Principal Consultant, BitsBuilder
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On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 07:31, Robert Johns <piratej74@live.com> wrote:
> I was thinking today and I was wondering if ruby has a future when
> python is being to widely accepted. Outside of rails, because I have no
> want to code in rails.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>
>

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#4564

On 15.05.2011 13:31, Robert Johns wrote:
> I was thinking today and I was wondering if ruby has a future when
> python is being to widely accepted. Outside of rails, because I have no
> want to code in rails.

If I could answer your question I would be in possession of a crystal 
ball and be making money predicting lottery results of next week.

Don't speculate too much.  As long as there are enough people using Ruby 
it will stay.  Remember when they said Cobol was dead?  That must be 
ages already and what happened: there are still Cobol coders around.  I 
just yesterday talked to one in person.

Cheers

	robert

-- 
remember.guy do |as, often| as.you_can - without end
http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/

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#4565

On 05/15/11 22:00, Robert Klemme wrote:
> there are still Cobol coders around. I just
> yesterday talked to one in person.

ahh, but did s/he answer you? :-P

(ref to Wayne and Shuster)

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#4572

On 15.05.2011 14:57, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 05/15/11 22:00, Robert Klemme wrote:
>> there are still Cobol coders around. I just
>> yesterday talked to one in person.
>
> ahh, but did s/he answer you? :-P
>
> (ref to Wayne and Shuster)

Yes, she did! :-)

	robert

-- 
remember.guy do |as, often| as.you_can - without end
http://blog.rubybestpractices.com/

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#4569

On 05/15/2011 04:31 AM, Robert Johns wrote:
> I was thinking today and I was wondering if ruby has a future when
> python is being to widely accepted. Outside of rails, because I have no
> want to code in rails.

Well, what kind of code _do_ you want to write? There are still some of 
us here who use ruby for things other than rails.

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#4575

Python and Ruby are pretty much in the same boat. Python won't be the
Ruby killer. Ruby is also widely accepted at this time. It's concepts
and paradigm will be around for along time to come. If anything has
changed in the last decade maybe perl usage has slowed down. But perl
is not going anywhere anytime soon. Even awk is still used today.
Maybe not to the extent it was twenty and thirty years ago but it's
still a useful tool for what it's meant for.

I realize you have no interest in rails. There are many tools to
create dynamic web projects with. Many gems in the ruby world to aid
to that effect without using rails. Now the politics of evaluating and
educating your 'pointy haired boss' what tools and frameworks to use
outside of rails is left to your own discretion. I realize this wont
be simple task because your employer most likely has been pounded with
buzz terms such as 'agile' 'web2.0' 'refactoring' 'cloud' 'scrum'
'tdd' 'bdd' 'ruby on rails' 'ajax' and probably would have never heard
of this programming language from the far east if it wasn't for the
buzz in the last several years.

I wouldn't worry to much though about displacement. Ruby is here to stay.

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Robert Johns <piratej74@live.com> wrote:
> I was thinking today and I was wondering if ruby has a future when
> python is being to widely accepted. Outside of rails, because I have no
> want to code in rails.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.
>
>

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#4632

On May 15, 1:25 pm, Stu <s...@rubyprogrammer.net> wrote:
> Python and Ruby are pretty much in the same boat. Python won't be the
> Ruby killer.

My prediction? Javascript eventually kills the other dynamic languages
in the web development arena. Why use two languages when you can use
one?

Regards,

Dan

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#4633

On Tue, 17 May 2011 06:20:54 +0900
Daniel Berger <djberg96@gmail.com> wrote:

> My prediction? Javascript eventually kills the other dynamic languages
> in the web development arena. Why use two languages when you can use
> one?

I agree, but only in the sense that there are some fantastic tools[1]
out there which abstract things and present an alternate syntax.

Variety is demanded when people disagree strongly on the use of a
single tool.  But if that single tool has a way of being used
differently by those different people, then less people will disagree,
and less strongly.

[1] The one example that comes to mind is http://jquery.com/


-- 
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#4638

Op 16-5-2011 23:49, spiralofhope schreef:
> On Tue, 17 May 2011 06:20:54 +0900
> Daniel Berger<djberg96@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> My prediction? Javascript eventually kills the other dynamic languages
>> in the web development arena. Why use two languages when you can use
>> one?
> I agree, but only in the sense that there are some fantastic tools[1]
> out there which abstract things and present an alternate syntax.
>
> Variety is demanded when people disagree strongly on the use of a
> single tool.  But if that single tool has a way of being used
> differently by those different people, then less people will disagree,
> and less strongly.
>
> [1] The one example that comes to mind is http://jquery.com/
>
>
I disagree with Daniel. Program languages cannot be predicted. Distrust 
anyone who claims to know the programming language future, however dimly.
If astrology worked, all astrologers would be rich. :-)

Thiel Chang

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#4648

On 5/16/11 4:17 PM, Thiel Chang wrote:
> Op 16-5-2011 23:49, spiralofhope schreef:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2011 06:20:54 +0900
>> Daniel Berger<djberg96@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My prediction? Javascript eventually kills the other dynamic languages
>>> in the web development arena. Why use two languages when you can use
>>> one?
>> I agree, but only in the sense that there are some fantastic tools[1]
>> out there which abstract things and present an alternate syntax.
>>
>> Variety is demanded when people disagree strongly on the use of a
>> single tool. But if that single tool has a way of being used
>> differently by those different people, then less people will disagree,
>> and less strongly.
>>
>> [1] The one example that comes to mind is http://jquery.com/
>>
>>
> I disagree with Daniel. Program languages cannot be predicted. Distrust
> anyone who claims to know the programming language future, however dimly.
> If astrology worked, all astrologers would be rich. :-)

If you want to equate 15 years of experience, job trending and tech 
trending to astrology, sure.

Regards,

Dan

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#4634

Seeing that I was referring to UNIX shell scripting I don't see how
this applies.

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Daniel Berger <djberg96@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On May 15, 1:25 pm, Stu <s...@rubyprogrammer.net> wrote:
>> Python and Ruby are pretty much in the same boat. Python won't be the
>> Ruby killer.
>
> My prediction? Javascript eventually kills the other dynamic languages
> in the web development arena. Why use two languages when you can use
> one?
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
>

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#4661

On 05/16/2011 11:20 PM, Daniel Berger wrote:
>
> On May 15, 1:25 pm, Stu<s...@rubyprogrammer.net>  wrote:
>> Python and Ruby are pretty much in the same boat. Python won't be the
>> Ruby killer.
> My prediction? Javascript eventually kills the other dynamic languages
> in the web development arena. Why use two languages when you can use
> one?
Sorry, but this argument just does NOT count (for me). It's leads to the question: Why develop something new?
The is no language, which can to everything to the utmost satisfaction of every programmer. This will NOT happen.
In contrast every language has areas, where is works fine and others which are tricky to handle with. Even if 
you stick to web-development (which is itself a large area), JS is not ... let's say that well suited from a 
programmers point of view. I'd love to see a beautifully designed language like Ruby doing client side 
web-programming. The other thing is taste: I personally don't like the idea of giving space such a meaning in 
a programming language. That's one of the reasons, I dislike about Python.
Or in other words: Did we really need a dynamic language after PERL? The answer is YES, isn't it?


cheers
ralf

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#4665

I'd love to see a beautifully designed language like Ruby doing client side 
> web-programming. 

Well, not exactly what you want, but take a look at http://jashkenas.github.com/coffee-script/


Regards,
Rimantas 

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#4589

On 15/05/11 14:31 , Robert Johns wrote:
> I was thinking today and I was wondering if ruby has a future when
> python is being to widely accepted. Outside of rails, because I have no
> want to code in rails.
>
Been coding in Ruby since 2001 and I've never done Rails while I have 
done only minimal web application programming.
In the last 5 years I code almost exclusively in Ruby mostly building 
tools that build tools, that build tools ad infinitum.
When I started I was the only person using Ruby in my firm and in any of 
my client's firms.
There used to be the Python vs. Ruby question in our ptojects but that 
has stopped being asked  now as there's at least 10 people with 
significant Ruby experience in the firm and we have a whole heap of 
tools and knowledge to fall back on.
So no, I don't see Ruby going away anytime soon.
Cheers,
V.-

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#4594

On Sun, 15 May 2011 20:31:39 +0900
Robert Johns <piratej74@live.com> wrote:

> I was thinking today and I was wondering if ruby has a future when
> python is being to widely accepted. Outside of rails, because I have
> no want to code in rails.

I was thinking today and I was wondering if apples have a future when
oranges are being widely accepted.  Outside of apple pie, because I
have no want to eat apples.  =)

Perhaps you are asking:  "Do you think that in the future I will be able
to find work programming with Ruby, even if I don't want to program
with Rails?"


-- 
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#4631

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:

> From what I've seen, Rails is a primary job skill sought by employers.
> Ruby without Rails, however, seems to be just a "bonus", if employers
> notice it at all.

It depends. We (Engine Yard) employ several people for whom Ruby
related work is their daily bread and butter, but those people do not
spend their days writing Rails apps.


Kirk Haines
Software Guy
Engine Yard

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#4731

[Note:  parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

1) Yes. For some jobs, the Ruby is what is important, not the Rails.

2) I don't know because I have not been job hunting for quite a while, but I
am confident that there are. Those jobs are certainly a minority, but they
are not a fantasy.

Kirk Haines
Engine Yard
On May 17, 2011 1:37 AM, "Chad Perrin" <code@apotheon.net> wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 05:31:11AM +0900, Kirk Haines wrote:
>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Chad Perrin <code@apotheon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > From what I've seen, Rails is a primary job skill sought by employers.
>> > Ruby without Rails, however, seems to be just a "bonus", if employers
>> > notice it at all.
>>
>> It depends. We (Engine Yard) employ several people for whom Ruby
>> related work is their daily bread and butter, but those people do not
>> spend their days writing Rails apps.
>
> I have two questions:
>
> 1. Did you hire them for their Ruby-not-Rails skills, or hire them for
> their Ruby on Rails skills and end up putting them to work with Ruby that
> is not attached to Rails?
>
> 2. Do you know of any other businesses that hire people for Ruby skills
> that aren't related to Rails and are *not* basically the Google of Ruby
> employers?
>
> Of all the job postings I've noticed that mention Ruby in job
> requirements, 100% of them also mention Rails.
>
> --
> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]

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#4636

[Note:  parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Robert Johns <piratej74@live.com> wrote:

> I was thinking today and I was wondering if ruby has a future when
> python is being to widely accepted. Outside of rails, because I have no
> want to code in rails.
>

I found it interesting to see Walter Bright (creator of D) comment in an
interview that he thought Ruby was the language to watch (see the very last
question in the interview):

http://www.bitwisemag.com/copy/programming/d/interview/d_programming_language.html


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#4726

На 17.5.2011 г. 01:10, Zach Dennis написа:
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Robert Johns<piratej74@live.com>  wrote:
> I found it interesting to see Walter Bright (creator of D) comment in an
> interview that he thought Ruby was the language to watch (see the very last
> question in the interview):
>
> http://www.bitwisemag.com/copy/programming/d/interview/d_programming_language.html
>
Hello,

This is my first post here, I am C firmware programmer and and touched
Ruby because installed Redmine for project management. So I took a look at
Ruby, saw its syntax and other properties.

Now, I caught myself that I sometimes write meta-code of my algorithms 
in Ruby
in comments, where the actual C code is not clear yet. Hence I think 
that Ruby is
nearer to the human languages than C and may be in help when describing
algorithms.

I think that Ruby has its future and domain of usage. It will not 
prevail the other
languages like Python, Perl, JavaScript but will live. Just another nice 
language.
I loved it.

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