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| First post | 2012-02-12 12:28 +1100 |
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Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 12:28 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 02:23 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-11 18:36 -0800
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 15:38 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 05:51 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 17:08 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 10:48 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-02-12 11:47 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 12:11 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 22:49 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2012-02-12 15:55 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 08:50 -0800
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 12:21 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> - 2012-02-12 12:36 -0500
entering unicode (was Python usage numbers) rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 19:09 -0800
Re: entering unicode (was Python usage numbers) Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-19 03:44 +0000
Re: entering unicode (was Python usage numbers) rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-02-19 00:52 -0800
How do you Unicode proponents type your non-ASCII characters? (was: Python usage numbers) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-02-13 09:43 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 22:56 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 10:13 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-02-12 17:07 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 17:22 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 09:14 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 17:27 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Dave Angel <davea@dejaviewphoto.com> - 2012-02-12 17:40 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 23:29 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 18:41 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-02-12 19:03 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 11:59 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 20:11 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Christian Heimes <lists@cheimes.de> - 2012-02-13 01:00 +0100
Re: Python usage numbers Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-02-12 21:37 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-02-12 22:09 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-02-12 22:57 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-02-13 15:19 +1100
Re: Python usage numbers Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 12:26 -0600
Re: Python usage numbers jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 00:00 -0800
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 06:10 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 01:05 -0600
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 09:12 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 05:11 -0600
Re: Python usage numbers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-12 22:30 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-02-12 17:50 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Peter Pearson <ppearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-02-12 17:58 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 20:48 -0800
Re: Python usage numbers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 16:03 +1100
OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-13 08:05 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 08:01 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-13 16:12 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 08:27 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 11:38 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 13:01 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 08:27 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-13 21:46 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-14 00:19 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 17:07 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 18:29 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 17:13 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 13:13 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 02:39 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 00:28 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 07:02 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-18 16:15 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 10:34 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] random joe <pywin32@gmail.com> - 2012-02-18 10:49 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-02-26 12:14 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-02-18 04:16 -0500
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] John O'Hagan <research@johnohagan.com> - 2012-02-14 19:41 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 16:21 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 11:44 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 17:26 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] John O'Hagan <research@johnohagan.com> - 2012-02-15 19:56 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 07:04 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 15:18 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 08:27 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-15 17:16 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:46 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-02-26 12:44 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 12:35 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-27 07:50 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-26 14:32 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-02-27 07:46 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 07:47 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 14:46 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 16:39 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-02-13 18:36 -0700
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 12:37 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-17 17:37 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Tim Wintle <tim.wintle@teamrubber.com> - 2012-02-13 16:41 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 16:40 -0800
RE: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-02-17 20:09 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-14 11:31 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 07:06 -0500
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 16:48 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 12:32 +1100
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 09:47 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-02-15 09:58 +0000
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-02-15 10:04 +0000
Kill files [was Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-02-15 10:27 +0000
Re: Kill files [was Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers]] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-02-15 11:29 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-02-14 04:56 -0800
Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-02-14 09:37 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> - 2012-02-12 09:14 +0100
Re: Python usage numbers Matej Cepl <mcepl@redhat.com> - 2012-02-12 09:26 +0100
Re: Python usage numbers Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-02-12 12:11 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2012-02-12 18:55 +0000
Re: Python usage numbers jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> - 2012-02-12 11:52 -0800
French and IDLE on Windows (was Re: Python usage numbers) Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-02-12 18:30 -0500
Re: Python usage numbers Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2012-02-15 11:56 +0200
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| From | Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 05:11 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5721.1329045101.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20259 |
On 2/12/2012 3:12 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > NTFS by default uses the UTF-16 encoding, which means the actual bytes > written to disk are \x1d\x040\x04\xe5\x042\x04 (possibly with a leading > byte-order mark \xff\xfe). That's what I meant. Those bytes will be interpreted consistently across all locales. > Windows has two separate APIs, one for "wide" characters, the other for > single bytes. Depending on which one you use, the directory will appear > to be called Наӥв or 0å2. Yes, and AFAIK, the wide API is the default. The other one only exists to support programs that don't support the wide API (generally, such programs were intended to be used on older platforms that lack that API). > But in any case, we're not talking about the file name encoding. We're > talking about the contents of files. Okay then. As I stated, this has nothing to do with the OS since programs are free to interpret bytes any way they like. -- CPython 3.2.2 | Windows NT 6.1.7601.17640
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 22:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4f383d87$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #20263 |
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:11:30 -0600, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 2/12/2012 3:12 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> NTFS by default uses the UTF-16 encoding, which means the actual bytes >> written to disk are \x1d\x040\x04\xe5\x042\x04 (possibly with a leading >> byte-order mark \xff\xfe). > > That's what I meant. Those bytes will be interpreted consistently across > all locales. Right. But, that's not Unicode, it is an encoding of Unicode. Terminology is important -- if we don't call things by the "right" names (or at least agreed upon names) how can we communicate? >> Windows has two separate APIs, one for "wide" characters, the other for >> single bytes. Depending on which one you use, the directory will appear >> to be called Наӥв or 0å2. > > Yes, and AFAIK, the wide API is the default. The other one only exists > to support programs that don't support the wide API (generally, such > programs were intended to be used on older platforms that lack that > API). I'm not sure that "default" is the right word, since (as far as I know) both APIs have different spelling and the coder has to make the choice whether to call function X or function Y. Perhaps you mean that Microsoft encourages the wide API and makes the single-byte API available for legacy reasons? >> But in any case, we're not talking about the file name encoding. We're >> talking about the contents of files. > > Okay then. As I stated, this has nothing to do with the OS since > programs are free to interpret bytes any way they like. Yes, but my point was that even if the developer thinks he can avoid the problem by staying away from "Unicode files" coming from Linux and OS-X, he can't avoid dealing with multiple code pages on Windows. You are absolutely correct that this is *not* a cross-platform issue to do with the OS, but some people may think it is. -- Steven
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| From | Dave Angel <d@davea.name> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 17:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5741.1329087043.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20300 |
On 02/12/2012 05:30 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:11:30 -0600, Andrew Berg wrote: > >> On 2/12/2012 3:12 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > <snip> >>> Windows has two separate APIs, one for "wide" characters, the other for >>> single bytes. Depending on which one you use, the directory will appear >>> to be called Наӥв or 0å2. >> Yes, and AFAIK, the wide API is the default. The other one only exists >> to support programs that don't support the wide API (generally, such >> programs were intended to be used on older platforms that lack that >> API). > I'm not sure that "default" is the right word, since (as far as I know) > both APIs have different spelling and the coder has to make the choice > whether to call function X or function Y. Perhaps you mean that Microsoft > encourages the wide API and makes the single-byte API available for > legacy reasons? > > When I last looked, the pair of functions were equivalently available, and neither one was named the way you'd expect. One had a suffix of A and the other had a suffix of W (guess which was which). C header definitions used #define to define the actual functions, and the preprocessor effectively stuck A's on all of them or W's on all of them. Very bulky, but buried in some MS header files. Other languages were free to use either or both. VB used just the W versions, as I presume java does. But the interesting point was that for most of these functions, the A versions were native on Win95-derived OS'es, while the W versions were native on NT-derived OS's. There were translation DLL's which supplied the secondary versions. So in the old days it was more efficient to use the A versions. No longer true, since as far as I know, nobody that still uses Win ME, Win98, or Win95 is targeted for much new programming. -- DaveA
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| From | Peter Pearson <ppearson@nowhere.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 17:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <9pqculF83rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #20259 |
On 12 Feb 2012 09:12:57 GMT, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Suppose you're a fan of Russian punk bank Наӥв and you have a directory > of their music. Sigh. Banking ain't what it used to be. I'm sticking with classical Muzak. -- To email me, substitute nowhere->spamcop, invalid->net.
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-12 20:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1c0e800d-1196-4fcd-9eaf-4fd1788f7f74@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #20252 |
On Feb 12, 12:10 am, Steven D'Aprano <steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:36:52 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > >> "I have a file containing text. I can open it in an editor and see it's > >> nearly all ASCII text, except for a few weird and bizarre characters > >> like £ © ± or ö. In Python 2, I can read that file fine. In Python 3 I > >> get an error. What should I do that requires no thought?" > > >> Obvious answers: > > > the most obvious answer would be to read the file WITHOUT worrying about > > asinine encoding. > > Your mad leet reading comprehension skillz leave me in awe Rick. Same goes for your abstract reasoning skillz! You're attempting to treat the problem, whilst ignoring the elephant in the room -- THE DISEASE!. Do you think that cost of healthcare is the problem? Do you think the cost of healthcare insurance is the problem? NO! The problem is people expect entitlements. If you can't afford healthcare, then you die. If you can't afford food, then you starve. If you can't afford prophylactics, then you will be sentenced to eighteen years of hell! Maybe a charity will help you, or maybe a friend, or maybe a neighbor. If not, then you suffer the fatal exception. Life sucks, deal with it! You want to solve the healthcare problem then STOP TREATING PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE INSURANCE! Problem solved! You are only born with one guarantee; you will die, guaranteed! Any questions? The problem with bytes is not encodings or OS's. Can you guess what the REAL problem is? ..take all the time you need.
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 16:03 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5753.1329109428.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20331 |
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > The problem with bytes is not encodings or OS's. Can you guess what > the REAL problem is? ..take all the time you need. The REAL problem is trolls. But they're such fun, and so cute when they get ranting... ChrisA
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 08:05 +0000 |
| Subject | OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <4f38c44d$0$11112$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #20331 |
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:48:54 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > Do you think that cost of healthcare is the problem? Do you think the > cost of healthcare insurance is the problem? NO! The problem is people > expect entitlements. Entitlements? I work hard and pay my taxes. I *earned* that healthcare that trolls like you call an entitlement. Damn straight it's an entitlement -- I paid for it, I earned it, I'm entitled to it, and if you try to steal if from me, expect a fight. Socialised healthcare is a win-win system: - the working class wins, because they get healthcare at a much cheaper rate than they could otherwise afford - bosses win, because they have reduced absenteeism, lower training costs to replace workers who die, and fewer epidemics that threaten their own families - Wall Street wins, because productivity is increased due to better health - pharmaceutical companies win, because even though their profits on individual items are reduced, their increased sales more than make up for it - doctors win, because they spend more time getting paid to deal with patients and less unproductive time on dealing with insurance companies - the economy wins, because fewer people are bankrupted by simple medical procedures The only loss is for the insurers, who have to get an honest job. So why on earth is anyone against socialised healthcare when it provably works better than the US system? Simple. To a certain mind, "win-win" is not a good thing, it is a bad thing. "Win-win" implies that you might have to share the pie instead of eating it all yourself, and to that sort of person, anything less than ALL the pie might as well be nothing at all. What's the point of being wealthy and powerful without having hungry, sick peons to lord over? How will you know you have won unless others lose? The inefficiencies (economic and moral) of the US private healthcare system are not a bug, they are a feature. It is part of the war the 1% of the 1% have been waging on the rest of society for the last 40 years. > You are only born with one > guarantee; you will die, guaranteed! Any questions? Yes. Why haven't you moved to a libertarian paradise like Somalia yet? You'd like it there. There are two sorts of people: those who can afford their own private militia, and victims. -- Steven
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 08:01 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <a6d617ab-4d91-472b-bf57-9034874321af@n12g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #20337 |
On Feb 13, 2:05 am, Steven D'Aprano <steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:48:54 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > > Do you think that cost of healthcare is the problem? Do you think the > > cost of healthcare insurance is the problem? NO! The problem is people > > expect entitlements. > > Entitlements? I work hard and pay my taxes. I *earned* that healthcare > that [gentlemen] like you call an entitlement. Damn straight it's an > entitlement -- I paid for it, I earned it, I'm entitled to it, And just how much healthcare dollars are you entitled to exactly? Can you put your entitlement into some form of monetary value? And how can we ever make a system like this fair? If someone works for 30 years and pays a 30% tax rate and another works for 2 years and pays 15%, then how do we delegate the fair share? The answer is you can't delegate fairness in a system like this. The system of "i pay taxes therfore i deserve a free heart transplant" is broken! And don't forget, your tax dollars are not just for coving the cost of healthcare. What about infrastructure, social security, welfare, military, government bail-outs, bribe money to rouge states, earmarks, bridges to nowhere, and and even planting trees on the main highways? These things cost money you know! How about instead of enriching the government by increasing taxes YOU just live within your means? If you can afford healthcare, great! If not, too bad. > and if you > try to steal if from me, expect a fight. Steal what from you... you're stealing from everyone else! You're expecting ME to cover YOUR healthcare. What's next? I should supplement your income so you can you buy a summer home? What about folks who gorge on sugar, saturated fats, and salt all their lives with no regard for their own health? What happens when they develop diabetes, heart disease, and cancer? Do you think the measly little amount of taxes they payed (IF THEY PAYED AT ALL!) will cover a heart transplant or cancer treatments? Who will pay when they cannot? What about the idiots who smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, and/or abuse drugs (prescription or otherwise). Should your tax dollars cover these medical expenses? Who will pay when they cannot? What about people who are too lazy to cook their children healthy meals and instead rely on fast food and soda? What happens when those same kids become morbidly obese? Why are we not charging these idiots with child abuse? Who will pay when they cannot? *Selfish Sam blubbers:* "I pay taxes, so the government needs to subsidize my unhealthy lifestyle!" But where does the "government money" come from Sam? Sam: Taxes? Very good Sam, and WHO pays taxes? Sam: Citizens? You're very smart Sam. And what do think will happen when the government needs more money? Sam: They will increase taxes? Good boy Sam! Here is a treat. Now run along and fetch the newspaper. Taxes are tranny. And you WANT to give them an excuse to increase taxes! We are doomed! > Socialised healthcare is a win-win system: Sure, for the degenerates! > - the working class wins, because they get healthcare at a much cheaper > rate than they could otherwise afford Healthcare is expensive. Do you want a minimum wage doctor curing your ills? And the frivolous lawsuits are not bringing the costs down either. > - bosses win, because they have reduced absenteeism, lower training costs > to replace workers who die, and fewer epidemics that threaten their own > families BS! With free healthcare, those who would have allowed their immune system fight off the flu, now take off from work, visit a local clinic, and get pumped full of antibiotics so they can create a new strain of antibiotic resistant flu virus! Thanks free healthcare! > - Wall Street wins, because productivity is increased due to better health Oh yes, and wall street is the hope of the future. Thank god they are winning. Thank god they are healthy enough to rob us for another day. Thank god! > - pharmaceutical companies win, because even though their profits on > individual items are reduced, their increased sales more than make up for > it This is the same thing that happened to the funiture industry. They call it the "Assembly Line". I don't know how you feel, but i think mass produced furniture sucks a big fat Python! > - doctors win, because they spend more time getting paid to deal with > patients and less unproductive time on dealing with insurance companies Doctors have minions for those tasks. Do you actually believe doctors are on the phone with insurance companies? They are at the freaking golf course! > - the economy wins, because fewer people are bankrupted by simple medical > procedures It sucks that medical can be so expensive, and i am all for reducing the costs. However, we cannot implement a system that rewards the slothful degenerates of society on the backs of the hard working. Evolution knows how to handle degenerates. > The only loss is for the insurers, who have to get an honest job. So why > on earth is anyone against socialised healthcare when it provably works > better than the US system? If you look around the world, you will see that socialized heathcare has been around for a long time. Let me know when it "solves the healthcare problem"... psst, i won't be holding my breath! > Simple. To a certain mind, "win-win" is not a good thing, it is a bad > thing. "Win-win" implies that you might have to share the pie instead of > eating it all yourself, and to that sort of person, anything less than > ALL the pie might as well be nothing at all. That's the chant of the folks who have no capacity to think for themselves. It's also used by the "controllers" to incite the foolish masses through emotional rhetoric. The fact is, socialized medicine is SOMEONE ELSE paying for YOUR healthcare. Socialized medicine is YOU leaching off the backs of others. Here's a novel idea, subsidize your own damn healthcare! You are born with rights. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare care is NOT a right, healthcare is a privileged. Driving a car is not a right, it is a privileged. Procreation should be a privilege, however sadly for our collective evolution, it's seems to be a right :( > The inefficiencies (economic and moral) of the US private healthcare > system are not a bug, they are a feature. It is part of the war the 1% of > the 1% have been waging on the rest of society for the last 40 years. What is the goal of the war? Do you really think the one percent want to destroy the working class? If they did manage to destroy us, then who would clean their house, take out there garbage, work in the factories and sweat shops, shine their shoes, wash their cars, wipe their @$$? Who would create that next new cool IPhone app? Look, i hate super rich, arrogant people just as much i hate selfish people. I think you need to take a step back from your emotional temper tantrum and smell the $hit your shoveling! It is my god given right to live free of tyranny, not be enslaved by taxes so i can subsidize you lifespan. Not so you can live to be 104 whilst trying to suck every last breath out of an oxygen canister. No, you live and die by your own choices and the cards that were dealt to you. Leave me the freak out of your selfish card game!
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 16:12 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <4f393666$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #20347 |
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:01:59 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > Evolution knows how to handle degenerates. And yet here you still are. -- Steven
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 08:27 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <07200b63-08a7-4ed4-ac77-0b0f04ee2186@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #20348 |
On Feb 13, 10:12 am, Steven D'Aprano <steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:01:59 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > > Evolution knows how to handle degenerates. > > And yet here you still are. Embrace the perfection of evolution, and both our needs shall be met!
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| From | Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 11:38 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5770.1329158358.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20347 |
I hate being suckered in by trolls, but this paragraph demands a response. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > You are born with rights. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. > Healthcare care is NOT a right, healthcare is a privileged. If you deprive a person of access to healthcare, and they die, then you have deprived them of life and thus violated the very rights that you just stated they had. In any case, taking that phrase from the Declaration of Independence and holding it out as an exhaustive list of rights is moronic. First, because it's not even a legal document -- it's only a statement of high-minded classical liberalism, albeit a historically important and influential one. Second, because it actually states "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that **AMONG** these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The phrasing obviously implies that there are other human rights besides the three examples listed. After all, the purpose of the document was not to enumerate all human rights, but to air a list of grievances against King George and assert the right to revolt against him. Incidentally, "not being required to pay taxes" is not something that the founding fathers would have considered a human right, taxation being necessary to support government and representative government (at least according to the Declaration of Independence) being necessary to secure those rights. > Procreation should be a > privilege, however sadly for our collective evolution, it's seems to > be a right :( There is a word for the philosophy that procreation should be a privilege reserved for those with good genes: eugenics. Welcome to fascism, Rick.
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 13:01 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <39962880-2073-4ed3-83b2-83fa86409b53@i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #20358 |
On Feb 13, 12:38 pm, Ian Kelly <ian.g.ke...@gmail.com> wrote: > I hate being suckered in by trolls, but this paragraph demands a response. > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Rick Johnson > > <rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You are born with rights. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. > > Healthcare care is NOT a right, healthcare is a privileged. > > If you deprive a person of access to healthcare, and they die, then > you have deprived them of life and thus violated the very rights that > you just stated they had. And finally the "pursuit of happiness". Notice the wording here: "pursuit". You have a right to PURSUE happiness, not a right to steal it. Also, you are guaranteed happiness, only the right to purse your version of happiness -- so long as that version does not interfere with others rights. You have a right to life, NOT a right to unnaturally extend your lifetime by stealing the fruits of other people's labor (in this case: money). You have a right to be free, but NOT to quell the freedom of others so that YOU may benefit (in this case: taxation). Healthy people do not need healthcare very often, and in the rare cases when they do, they don't bog down the system because their bodies are strong. Why are their bodies strong? Because healthy people eat correctly, healthy people exercise, therefore, healthy people have correctly functioning immune systems -- of course quality genes always help! > In any case, taking that phrase from the Declaration of Independence > and holding it out as an exhaustive list of rights is moronic. First, > because it's not even a legal document -- it's only a statement of > high-minded classical liberalism, albeit a historically important and > influential one. Second, because it actually states "We hold these > truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they > are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that > **AMONG** these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The > phrasing obviously implies that there are other human rights besides > the three examples listed. After all, the purpose of the document was > not to enumerate all human rights, but to air a list of grievances > against King George and assert the right to revolt against him. > Incidentally, "not being required to pay taxes" is not something that > the founding fathers would have considered a human right, taxation > being necessary to support government and representative government > (at least according to the Declaration of Independence) being > necessary to secure those rights. I never stated that taxation violated anyone's "human rights". And i personally believe that "some" amount of taxation is a necessary in a democratic society. How else would the government pay the bills? Rule of law, infrastructure, national security (just to name a few) are all subjects that the government must handle for the sake of society as a whole. HOWEVER, healthcare is not a concern of the greater society, but only the individual -- with the exception of contagious disease of course, which effects us all! Cardiovascular diseases, cancers, cirrhosis, kidney failure, stroke, diabetes, etc..., are NOT contagious but continue to be a drain on healthcare costs. In fact, most of these problems are the results of an unhealthy lifestyle. Listen, I have no objection to folks living an unhealthy lifestyle. I say, if that's what makes you happy, GO FOR IT!. However, i'll be damned if i am going to subsidize their healthcare because now they are dying and can't afford the medical bills. Likewise if someone gets hit by a bus... was the person j-walking? If so, too bad. Ride a motorcycle without a helmet and get a concussion, too bad. Drink and drive and then end up in a coma, too bad! You play with fire and you get burned! You kick a bear in the ass and you get eaten. You stick your head in a crocodiles mouth and you suffer the consequences! You are not fit to survive in this universe. You were given fear for a reason. You were given pain for a reason. Those who refuse to learn are culled from the herd. > > Procreation should be a > > privilege, however sadly for our collective evolution, it's seems to > > be a right :( > > There is a word for the philosophy that procreation should be a > privilege reserved for those with good genes: eugenics. No, the word is evolution; which means: "survival of the fittest". Listen, i will be the first to admit that evolution is VERY unfair to those among us who have a poor gene pool. Poor genes are not our fault. We did not get to CHOOSE our genes, or our parents, or our country of origin, or etc, etc, etc! But these ARE the cards we were dealt as individuals of a species. That last sentence is VERY important: "individuals of a species". We like to think that our individual lives matter in the greater scheme of things, but i can assure you we don't matter. Anyone who has studied animal behavior knows that only the strongest males are allowed to mate. Why is this? Because strength can only manifest itself in an individual with quality genes. An indiviual who is healthy. What all the whiners want to do is strengthen the degenerates. You want to circumvent evolution and devolve as a species for nothing more than the sake of your own selfishness. I can however tell you that what DOES matter is the continued improvement of the base gene pool. Yes, this improvement comes at a cost; the cost of the individual. Those with quality genes will reap the rewards, likewise, those with crap genes will not. Evolution does not care about you and how long your miserable little life will last, or if you're going to get that new Apple device for Christmas, or how many shoes are in your closet, or what brand underwear you choose to cradle your loins with! Your measly little 60-100 years of breathing means nothing against the eons of evolution of individuals within species. YOU are pawn of the Human species and nothing more. And the Human species is a pawn of biological lifeforms. When (or if) you finally come to grips with that grim reality you will be ready to transcend this life -- some make the connection early, others make the connection on their deathbeds, others not at all. > Welcome to fascism, Rick. Don't try to append me onto a specific ideology structure just because that group happens to support ONE of my beliefs. I carry no political or ideological "membership cards" in my pocket. My mind is free of the boundaries that confine most of the Human species. But go on falsely believing your little puny life matters. Go on believing in your worn out traditions and selfish languages and cultures. Go on believing that humans will be inhabiting this rock in the next 1000 years, or this universe in the next 10,000 -- because the enlightened few will have transcended into the mind hive and your @ $$ will be glued to Terra firma forever!
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-14 08:27 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5779.1329168462.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20368 |
Rick, you are either... On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > I can however tell you that what DOES matter is the continued > improvement of the base gene pool. Yes, this improvement comes at a > cost; the cost of the individual. Those with quality genes will reap > the rewards, likewise, those with crap genes will not. ... a Nazi/Fascist/Commie mutant traitor, or... > But go on falsely believing your little puny life matters. Go on > believing in your worn out traditions and selfish languages and > cultures. Go on believing that humans will be inhabiting this rock in > the next 1000 years, or this universe in the next 10,000 -- because > the enlightened few will have transcended into the mind hive and your @ > $$ will be glued to Terra firma forever! ... the Borg. I'm not sure which is worse. Hmm, I think I just godwinned this thread. But at least I could couple it with a Paranoia reference. ChrisA
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 21:46 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5780.1329169606.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20368 |
On 13/02/2012 21:01, Rick Johnson wrote: > Healthy people do not need healthcare very often, and in the rare > cases when they do, they don't bog down the system because their > bodies are strong. Why are their bodies strong? Because healthy people > eat correctly, healthy people exercise, therefore, healthy people have > correctly functioning immune systems -- of course quality genes always > help! Please explain why previously healthy people get struck down with Common Fatigue Syndrome amongst other things. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.
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| From | Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> |
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| Date | 2012-02-14 00:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <4f39a896$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #20368 |
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:01:05 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: > Healthy people do not need healthcare very often Healthy people don't need healthcase AT ALL. By definition, once you need healthcare, you are no longer healthy. Your faith in the magic of "immune system" is touching, but one wonders how "immune system" will save people who have been hit by a car. Rick, isn't it time for you to go back to forking Python so that the adoring silent majority who agrees with you can abandon this cesspool of inefficient Python code and use your awesome new version? Please don't disappoint your millions of fans! -- Steven
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 17:07 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <a199bce7-4a86-430b-b717-e0df61e53ed6@f14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #20381 |
On Feb 13, 6:19 pm, Steven D'Aprano <steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote: > Your faith in the magic of "immune system" is touching, but one wonders > how "immune system" will save people who have been hit by a car. Why do you assume that someone hit by a car is a victim? This mindset is why you (and others like you) cannot understand the REAL problem we face. The problem that is destroying the world as we speak. What if you where driving the car and someone ran out from behind a large truck? (that's called "jaywalking" BTW!) What if you had no time to stop? Who's to blame: the driver or the rebel pedestrian? Streets are no place for walking, and sidewalks no place for driving. Q: But what if the pedestrian had right-of-way? A: Then the driver (or driver's insurance) would be responsible for medical bills. Q: But what if the driver has no money or no insurance A: Then he NEVER should have been driving in the first place! He made a really stupid decision! So sell all his belongings at auction and/or force him into hard labor until the debt is re-paid! I have no problem providing REAL emergency care for my fellow man who might find themselves involved in an accident, or an unlucky victim of violence requiring medical attention -- as long as the accident/ violence was not his fault or caused by his own stupidity! I think anyone who is human would agree with that. HOWEVER, as i have stated before, poor health caused by poor life choices is no excuse for free healthcare. These sloths are the people bankrupting the system!
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| From | Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-13 18:29 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5788.1329183029.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20368 |
[Reply sent off-list, partly because this is way off-topic, but also because python-list rejected my response as spam]
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| From | Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-17 17:13 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <afc6d1a2-7237-4024-97eb-fc26e95e9b40@t5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #20384 |
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rick Johnson
> I make a middle-class income and do not feel that I am anywhere near
> being "enslaved" by my income taxes, which amount to less than 10% of
> my gross income after deductions and credits.
Ten percent?!?! You pay less income tax by percentage than most rich
folks, including Mitt Romney! I envy you since you must be one of the
lucky folks who ONLY pay income tax. I guess you never purchase
ANYTHING or live under the tyranny of local jurisdictions ON TOP of
the federal jurisdiction?
Here is a list of taxes most everyone else will encounter:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Deficit spending
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax
Gift Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inflation
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
... and don't forget for declare those pennys on your eyes!
> Heck, there are poorer
> people than I who voluntarily donate that much to religious
> organizations on top of their taxes.
Again, lucky you! MOST middle class people pay 30-50% of their income
in taxes!
> Say what you want about the income tax system, but at least net income
> still basically increases monotonically. If you make more gross than
> me, chances are that you're going to make more net than me as well.
So you support a flat tax system? A system where everybody pays the
same percentage?
Actually i think 10% income tax is a fair amount although i believe
taxing income silly. If the government cannot provide national
security, domestic security, and LIMITED infratructure on 10% of what
we make, they are wasting too much of OUR money.
> > HOWEVER, healthcare is not a concern of the greater society, but only
> > the individual -- with the exception of contagious disease of course,
> > which effects us all!
>
> I disagree, and here's why. Let's say I'm a billionaire, and I'm
> diagnosed with cancer. Do you think I can just round up a bunch of
> scientists and tell them "Here's a billion dollars. Now go find a
> cure my cancer"? Of course not, it doesn't work that way. If the
> necessary research hasn't already been done, then it's unlikely that
> it will be finished in the few years or months that I have before the
> cancer kills me, no matter how much of my own money I throw at it.
I agree that keeping R&D "alive" is very important for our collective
advancement. I do not fear technology like some people. Futhermore, i
don't have any problem funding R&D for ANY of the sciences, beit
medical or otherwise. But let me assure you, under a private
healthcare system (psst: the kind where people pay they own way!)
there will ALWAYS be enough people to keep R&D alive. Besides, the
degenerates are only seeking care for self induced heath issues.
> Real medical research is primarily driven by medical treatment.
Yes, but that does not mean we should hand degenerates a meal ticket.
> -- if I
> as a wealthy private investor am going to invest in such a highly
> speculative and risky venture as drug research, I will be more willing
> to invest a large sum of money if the potential recipients (i.e.
> consumers) number in the hundreds of thousands, not just the few
> thousand who will be able to pay for the drug out of pocket.
> Likewise, much of the money the drug companies make off of sales goes
> back into research so that they can be ready with a newer, better drug
> by the time their patents expire.
>
> Distributing health care coverage expands the market for treatments
> and so allows the state of the art to advance faster. Yes, with
> socialized health care, some of our tax money goes into that pool, and
> a lot of that tax money just ends up as profits in the hands of
> wealthy shareholders. The other side of that coin, though, is that if
> we ever find ourselves in the position that we need those treatments
> ourselves, the medical state of the art will be that much better for
> it.
And if you can afford the care great, if not, you'd better buy an
insurance policy.
You know, people love to whine about how privatized healthcare is so
unfair to the degenerates. What about the doctors? Would you expect a
doctor to work for free? Remeber, doctors spend a decade or more in
college and rack up HUGE debts to pay for their education. You don't
mind stealing from taxpayers to fund degenerates, but it's the same as
stealing from doctors. Observe:
Doctor: "Okay, your diease is cured. You have a clean bill of heath!
Your bill is $500,000"
Patient: "Thanks doc, but it seems i am little light. Can i just pay
you $20.00 and we call it even?"
Doctor: "What? I just saved your life. I spent the last three months
caring for you. Using expensive medical equipment and years of
laboratory research. Do you know how many lab rats and monkeys died a
horrible death so that you can live? How can I do all that for
$20.00?"
Of course you would not, because you'd have to look the doctor in the
eye whilst robbing him. On the other hand, with tax payer subsidized
healthcare (AKA: Public Heathcare), you don't have to look anyone in
the eye. The victim of your plunder is just some random taxpayer
footing your bills!
People, THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH! Every product that is made and every
service rendered was a result of someone's hard labor. Sleep on that
you degenerates!
Hypocrisy! It's no different than the idiots who whine for the fair
treatment of fluffy mammals but them declare chemical warfare on
insects and reptiles. To them ONLY fluffy mammals deserve fair
treatment because they are so cuddly (and cute BTW) PUKE!.
But you want to know the REAL reason? It's because mammals return love
and reptiles and insects don't. It's because people are selfish. If
another being will no reciprocate their love, then they murder that
being with extreme prejudice, and not feel one bit guilty about it! Do
you understand how backward you are? Do you understand how selfish and
immoral you are? Do you understand how incredibly dense you are?
Because of people like YOU, we don't deserve the right to evolve!
> But beyond that, I also think that we as a society have an ethical
> commitment to help one another out when we find ourselves in trouble,
> because that's what a civilized society is.
I agree totally. Let say an innocent is shot in the course of a
robbery. I would not mind my tax dollars going towards the victims
medical care IF he could not afford the care himself. Even if he was a
degenerate.
On the other hand, if some lame-brain decided to climb MT. Everest and
got stuck on top with frost-bite... TOO BAD! Same goes for dummies who
develop lung caner from somking... TOO BAD! Or cirrhosis of the liver
from one too many "adult beverages"... TOO BAD! Or diabetes from
eating too many candy bars and/or drinking too many sodas... TOO BAD,
TOO BAD, TOO BAD!!!
I am tired of the whines and laments of vermin, almost as much as i am
tired of the silence of the moral majority! It's time to put
degenerates in their place!
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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-02-18 13:13 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5929.1329531205.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20574 |
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: > Here is a list of taxes most everyone else will encounter: You forgot the Microsoft Tax and the Stupid Tax. ChrisA
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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-02-18 02:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: OT: Entitlements [was Re: Python usage numbers] |
| Message-ID | <mailman.5930.1329532713.27778.python-list@python.org> |
| In reply to | #20574 |
On 18/02/2012 02:13, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Rick Johnson > <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote: >> Here is a list of taxes most everyone else will encounter: > > You forgot the Microsoft Tax and the Stupid Tax. > > ChrisA This is what I call a tax, some two miles from my home. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-17074716 -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.
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