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  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-29 18:00 +0100
    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-30 20:24 +0300
      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-06-30 20:58 +0100
        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-30 23:14 +0300
          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-06-30 21:36 +0100
          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 08:23 +0200
            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 10:52 +0300
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 10:54 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 12:05 +0300
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 11:32 +0200
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 12:37 +0300
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 14:28 +0200
                        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 16:22 +0300
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 12:44 +1000
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 10:31 +0100
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 12:46 +0300
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 14:44 +0200
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 11:07 +0100
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-01 12:43 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 15:08 +0200
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-01 15:33 +0000
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 21:18 +0200
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 23:14 +0000
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 20:32 +0100
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 09:25 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 16:28 +0300
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Andrew Berg <robotsondrugs@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 08:45 -0500
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-01 15:34 +0000
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 08:49 -0700
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 17:56 +0100
                        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 20:15 +0300
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 18:26 +0100
                        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 11:29 -0700
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 20:16 +0100
                            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 12:29 -0700
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 21:12 +0200
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 20:28 +0100
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 09:22 +0200
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 10:34 +0100
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 14:01 +0200
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 14:40 +0100
                        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 06:48 -0700
                          OT Plague [was Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-03 02:37 +0000
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-07-03 08:34 +1000
                        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-02 17:30 -0700
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-03 01:24 +0000
                            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-03 10:08 -0700
                              Whatever happened to the Effbot? [was Re: python adds an etc] alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 11:16 +1000
                                Re: Whatever happened to the Effbot? [was Re: python adds an etc] Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2013-07-03 20:31 -0500
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-03 11:21 +0200
                            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-03 10:11 -0700
                              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-04 14:09 +0200
                                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-05 15:40 -0700
                                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-08 10:19 +0200
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 19:45 +1000
                            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 13:00 +0300
                              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list feedthetroll@gmx.de - 2013-07-03 07:12 -0700
                                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 16:21 +0100
                                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 10:00 -0700
                                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list feedthetroll@gmx.de - 2013-07-04 01:24 -0700
                                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-03 10:01 -0700
                                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 11:08 -0700
                                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-03 18:29 +0000
                                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-03 12:18 -0700
                                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-04 03:08 +0000
                                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-07-04 10:53 +1000
                                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 02:08 +0100
                                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 20:07 -0700
                                        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-03 22:44 -0700
                                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-04 08:57 +0300
                                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list feedthetroll@gmx.de - 2013-07-04 01:50 -0700
                                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-05 15:42 -0700
                              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 00:44 +1000
                                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 18:36 +0300
                                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 01:44 +1000
                                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 19:47 +0300
                                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 02:53 +1000
                                        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 20:07 +0300
                                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 03:23 +1000
                                            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 20:50 +0300
                                              Fwd: Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-04 13:06 +0300
                                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 17:42 +0100
                                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 20:10 +0300
                            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 05:31 -0700
                              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 00:37 +1000
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-03 12:04 +0200
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 00:18 +0100
                        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-02 18:21 -0700
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 00:12 +0100
                            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-03 18:56 -0700
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 00:40 +0100
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-04 13:19 +0200
                          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 02:58 +0100
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-07-03 10:36 +1000
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 01:51 +0100
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-03 12:01 +0200
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 19:27 +0300
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 19:36 +0300
      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-06-30 22:57 +0100
      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-06-30 23:13 +0100
      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 08:37 +0200
        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 10:55 +0300
          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 10:56 +0200
            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-07-01 14:01 +0000
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 08:00 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-07-01 15:06 +0000
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 21:34 -0700
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 06:32 +0100
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-02 07:14 +0000
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-07-02 18:59 -0400
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-07-02 19:06 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 19:33 +0300
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 20:42 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-01 22:12 +0000
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 09:55 +0200
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 17:59 +1000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 23:17 +0000
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 08:54 +0200
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 01:43 -0600
                  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 10:16 +0200
                    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 12:53 +0000
                      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-03 00:22 +0000

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#49567

On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:08:18 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:

> Op 01-07-13 14:43, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> 
>> Νίκος, I am not going to wade through this long, long thread to see
>> what problem you are trying to solve today.
> 
> Nikos is not trying to solve a problem in this thread. What happened is
> that the original poster here got a rather short answer to his question.
> Mark Laurence reacted questioning why this person didn't get the same
> kind of treatment as "Nick the Incompetant Greek". Then Nikos came in
> with an insulting remark. The rest developed from their.

Okay, thank you for explaining the situation.

Now, please stop baiting Nikos.



-- 
Steven

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#49583

Op 01-07-13 17:33, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:08:18 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
>> Op 01-07-13 14:43, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>>
>>> Νίκος, I am not going to wade through this long, long thread to see
>>> what problem you are trying to solve today.
>>
>> Nikos is not trying to solve a problem in this thread. What happened is
>> that the original poster here got a rather short answer to his question.
>> Mark Laurence reacted questioning why this person didn't get the same
>> kind of treatment as "Nick the Incompetant Greek". Then Nikos came in
>> with an insulting remark. The rest developed from their.
>
> Okay, thank you for explaining the situation.
>
> Now, please stop baiting Nikos.

I am not baiting Nikos. I know he mentions this two week period but all
I have done in the last two weeks that involves Nikos as a subject is
the "Don't feed the troll thread" and today this thread.

So if he feels baited for the last two weeks, it is either by that
"Don't feed the troll" thread or I have very little to do with it.

-- 
Antoon Pardon.

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#49599

On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 21:18:26 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:

> I am not baiting Nikos.

Your opinion, mine differs.

> all I have done in the last two weeks that involves Nikos as a 
> subject is the "Don't feed the troll thread" 

Calling him a troll is baiting. Please stop.

-- 
Denis McMahon, denismfmcmahon@gmail.com

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#49587

On 1 July 2013 20:18, Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> Op 01-07-13 17:33, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>
>> On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 15:08:18 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>>
>>> Op 01-07-13 14:43, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>>>
>>>> Νίκος, I am not going to wade through this long, long thread to see
>>>> what problem you are trying to solve today.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nikos is not trying to solve a problem in this thread. What happened is
>>> that the original poster here got a rather short answer to his question.
>>> Mark Laurence reacted questioning why this person didn't get the same
>>> kind of treatment as "Nick the Incompetant Greek". Then Nikos came in
>>> with an insulting remark. The rest developed from their.
>>
>>
>> Okay, thank you for explaining the situation.
>>
>> Now, please stop baiting Nikos.
>
>
> I am not baiting Nikos. I know he mentions this two week period but all
> I have done in the last two weeks that involves Nikos as a subject is
> the "Don't feed the troll thread" and today this thread.
>
> So if he feels baited for the last two weeks, it is either by that
> "Don't feed the troll" thread or I have very little to do with it.

Obviously Steven, as I do, considers your actions in this thread as
"baiting". Whether or not you agree with his definition of baiting, he
wants you to stop.

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#49624

Op 01-07-13 21:32, Joshua Landau schreef:
> On 1 July 2013 20:18, Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>> Op 01-07-13 17:33, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>>
>>> Okay, thank you for explaining the situation. Now, please stop
>>> baiting Nikos. 
>> I am not baiting Nikos. I know he mentions this two week period but all
>> I have done in the last two weeks that involves Nikos as a subject is
>> the "Don't feed the troll thread" and today this thread.
>>
>> So if he feels baited for the last two weeks, it is either by that
>> "Don't feed the troll" thread or I have very little to do with it.
> Obviously Steven, as I do, considers your actions in this thread as
> "baiting". Whether or not you agree with his definition of baiting, he
> wants you to stop.
No that is not obvious at all. You see, Steven has made it clear he
wasn't going to wade throught this list. So it is very well possible
he missed most of my actions in this thread, which makes it far from
obvious that his remark was based on actions in this thread.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#49561

Στις 1/7/2013 3:43 μμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε:
> On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 10:52:28 +0300, Νίκος wrote:
>
>> All i did was asking for help for issues i couldn't solve. That what
>> everybody would do if he couldn't help himself solve something.
> [...]
>> So shut your piehole and start proving yourself useful in this list. Or
>> sod off.
>> Preferably do the latter.
>
>
> Enough Νίκος. If you can't be the "bigger man" and ignore other people's
> insults, take your flaming off-list. I don't care if you get into the
> mother of all flame-fests, so long as it is OFF LIST and doesn't upset
> this forum. If you continue to be abusive on this list, I will kill-file
> you and will not even see your posts, and no doubt others will do the
> same.
>
> It doesn't matter who started it. It doesn't matter if you're just trying
> to get some help. If you continue being abusive, you will lose the few
> allies you have left.
>
> The same goes to the Net Vigilantes trying to drive Νίκος away. I can't
> speak for others, but I can speak for myself, and abuse and flaming has
> no place in this forum, and if you continue to behave abusively, I will
> kill-file you too.
>
> Νίκος, I am not going to wade through this long, long thread to see what
> problem you are trying to solve today. I only have a limited number of
> hours available, and it is unfair for you to monopolise all my time.
> Also, sometimes I simply do not know how to solve your technical
> problems. I don't know everything. But I will give you a commitment: if
> you follow the advice here:
>
> http://sscce.org/
>
> and come up with a short, self-contained, runnable example of the problem
> you are having in this thread, I commit to reading your post and making
> an honest effort to solve the problem by Wednesday evening (Melbourne,
> Australia time). The above website is written for Java programmers, but
> the advice holds for any language including Python.
>
> The above of course assumes that I have not kill-filed you for continuing
> to be abusive on-list.

So, Steven you want me to sit tight and read all the insults coming from 
this guy?

If that happened to you, wouldn't you feel the need and urge to reply 
back and stand for yourself?

Almost 2 weeks now that i solved my last website problems this person 
amongst others that especially him is keeping this list busy talking 
down to me.

What am i supposed to do? Listening him for ever?
I use Thunderbird and i'm currently looking for a way to kill-file him, 
because he is not likely to stop.

And no, i do not want to piss off people like you, who have spend time 
helping me.

But i cannot stand him either.

-- 
What is now proved was at first only imagined!

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#49562

On 2013.07.01 08:28, Νίκος wrote:
> So, Steven you want me to sit tight and read all the insults coming from 
> this guy?
> 
> If that happened to you, wouldn't you feel the need and urge to reply 
> back and stand for yourself?
You can ignore it (this is the best solution) or you can take it off-list.
Most on this list do not consider insults and flaming on the list acceptable.
It doesn't matter who started it.

> I use Thunderbird and i'm currently looking for a way to kill-file him, 
> because he is not likely to stop.
Tools -> Message Filters...

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#49568

On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:28:52 +0300, Νίκος wrote:

> Στις 1/7/2013 3:43 μμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε:
[...]
>> The above of course assumes that I have not kill-filed you for
>> continuing to be abusive on-list.
> 
> So, Steven you want me to sit tight and read all the insults coming from
> this guy?
> 
> If that happened to you, wouldn't you feel the need and urge to reply
> back and stand for yourself?

"Stand up for yourself" and "be abusive" are two different things. I told 
you, I don't care what you do off-list, but if you continue flaming on-
list, I will kill-file you.


> And no, i do not want to piss off people like you, who have spend time
> helping me.

Too late. I asked you to stop flaming on-list, and you didn't. I am now 
kill-filing you for a month. Feel grateful that it is not permanent, and 
take this time to reflect that you are running out of people willing to 
help you.


-- 
Steven

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#49569

On Monday, July 1, 2013 9:04:11 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> > And no, i do not want to piss off people like you, who have spend time
> > helping me.
> Too late. I asked you to stop flaming on-list, and you didn't. I am now 
> kill-filing you for a month. Feel grateful that it is not permanent, and 
> take this time to reflect that you are running out of people willing to 
> help you.
> -- 
> 
> Steven


A suggestion (request??) to all list members in this respect:

We strengthen Steven's decision as follows:

For the next month (till 1st August)
- No discussions about Nikos specifically or trolling/flaming in general
- No answers to anything he asks

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#49574

On 1 July 2013 16:49, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, July 1, 2013 9:04:11 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> > And no, i do not want to piss off people like you, who have spend time
>> > helping me.
>> Too late. I asked you to stop flaming on-list, and you didn't. I am now
>> kill-filing you for a month. Feel grateful that it is not permanent, and
>> take this time to reflect that you are running out of people willing to
>> help you.
>
> A suggestion (request??) to all list members in this respect:
>
> We strengthen Steven's decision as follows:
>
> For the next month (till 1st August)
> - No discussions about Nikos specifically or trolling/flaming in general
> - No answers to anything he asks

(This does not target you, but is a response to your suggested response)

No, it's:

1) Insults and off-topic derogatory are not allowed.

That's it. If you're insulted, tough. Take it off-list. If you think
it's totally and unabashedly Nikos's fault, tough. Take it off-list.
If you think Nikos is completely innocent, tough. Take it off-list.

Insults and derogatory are not cool. I thought we were adults. If you
choose to ignore Nikos's posts, fine. If you choose like me to wait
until he asks questions well, fine. Whatever. That's beside the point.

As before. no insults, no derogatory. If you don't get why this is not
allowed, you need to step back.

To put things in perspective, these are the people who have been
insulting on this post:

Mark Lawrence (once, probably without meaning to be insulting)
Nikos
Antoon Pardon

And here are the people who have reminded them to stop:

Steve Simmons
Steven D'Aprano
Andrew Berg
Walter Hurry
rusi
Joshua Landau (me)

So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
the list. I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you
two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for the rest of us. It
is not hard to avoid making your disagreements public.

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#49575

Στις 1/7/2013 7:56 μμ, ο/η Joshua Landau έγραψε:
> So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
> the list. I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you
> two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for the rest of us. It
> is not hard to avoid making your disagreements public.

I promise i will not reply to him any more even if still provoked.

-- 
What is now proved was at first only imagined!

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#49576

On 1 July 2013 18:15, Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> wrote:
> Στις 1/7/2013 7:56 μμ, ο/η Joshua Landau έγραψε:
>
>> So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
>> the list. I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you
>> two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for the rest of us. It
>> is not hard to avoid making your disagreements public.
>
>
> I promise i will not reply to him any more even if still provoked.

Thank you.

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#49577

On Monday, July 1, 2013 10:26:21 PM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
> So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
> the list. 

This 'and' is type-wrong.

> I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you
> two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for the rest of us. 

This thread only makes sense in the context of the last year of threads culminating in the last month of bullshit that this list is drowning under.

> It is not hard to avoid making your disagreements public.

The reverse is also true in general and more appropriate in this case.
Sometimes the consequences of not speaking up are more tragic than speaking too much, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...#The_text

Yeah sure, abusive posts, derogatory remarks, snide baiting etc is a problem.

However when you take Alex sarcastic comment
"rename comp.lang.python to comp.support.superhost"
and see the seriousness behind the sarcasm, you would find a considerably bigger problem -- the python list is stopping to be a python list.

In short if you agree and expand on only the first part of my request

> - No discussions about Nikos specifically or trolling/flaming in general

without the second

> - No answers to anything he asks

then we are not in agreement.

Let me end with 2 points:
1. If this discussion is to go beyond name-calling and over-specific, under-effective bandaids to getting a real grasp of the problem and hopefully a real solution, it would be good if people could familiarize themselves with the paradigm called "tragedy of the commons"
http://www.systems-thinking.org/arch/arch.htm#archtc

2. Steven's "I am kill-filing you for a month" will have a salutary effect on all only if we all do it.

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#49582

On 1 July 2013 19:29, rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, July 1, 2013 10:26:21 PM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
>> So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
>> the list.
>
> This 'and' is type-wrong.

I don't follow.

>> I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you
>> two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for the rest of us.
>
> This thread only makes sense in the context of the last year of threads culminating in the last month of bullshit that this list is drowning under.

Yes, but I followed that. What I haven't followed are the
probably-100-post-long "wars" that are happening in other threads
between specific individuals who I can't be bothered to look up. So I
don't know who else has been slandering off of this thread.

>> It is not hard to avoid making your disagreements public.
>
> The reverse is also true in general and more appropriate in this case.
> Sometimes the consequences of not speaking up are more tragic than speaking too much, see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...#The_text

That's hardly relevant. Nikos isn't "targeting" any minority.

> Yeah sure, abusive posts, derogatory remarks, snide baiting etc is a problem.
>
> However when you take Alex sarcastic comment
> "rename comp.lang.python to comp.support.superhost"
> and see the seriousness behind the sarcasm, you would find a considerably bigger problem -- the python list is stopping to be a python list.

No it hasn't. Nikos is a fraction of this list, and over the past
while has shrunk far below his peak. The people spewing insults
(including Nikos, but he's said he'll stop and I respect him for that)
are a much more voluminous sect of this list and a much bigger
problem.

> In short if you agree and expand on only the first part of my request
>
>> - No discussions about Nikos specifically or trolling/flaming in general

I don't care whether people "discuss" Nikos. I care whether they
insult people, flame people and whether they act derogatorily. That is
uncalled for. Python-List is known for going off-topic, *but we should
not be known for insults*. This is especially true as only two people
have been insulting on this thread -- none of the others have endorsed
it. If [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...#The_text]
applies to any situation here, it's your lack of appreciation of the
fact that these insults are harming people.

> without the second
>
>> - No answers to anything he asks
>
> then we are not in agreement.

And that is why I disagreed with you. I feel that your post implied
either everyone "STFU" or I'm OK with insults. It's not that. It's
"STFU", or don't, but insults are not OK. Ever.

> Let me end with 2 points:
> 1. If this discussion is to go beyond name-calling and over-specific, under-effective bandaids to getting a real grasp of the problem and hopefully a real solution, it would be good if people could familiarize themselves with the paradigm called "tragedy of the commons"
> http://www.systems-thinking.org/arch/arch.htm#archtc

That doesn't apply here.

> 2. Steven's "I am kill-filing you for a month" will have a salutary effect on all only if we all do it.

Good for him. I prefer not to kill-fire - I don't even know how yet -
because it's easy enough to ignore posts. But that's fine - it's his
choice and it's not a bad one.

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#49584

On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 12:46:40 AM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
> On 1 July 2013 19:29, rusi  wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, July 1, 2013 10:26:21 PM UTC+5:30, Joshua Landau wrote:
> 
> >> So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
> >> the list.
> > This 'and' is type-wrong.
> I don't follow.

Yes that's evident.

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#49581

Op 01-07-13 18:56, Joshua Landau schreef:
>
> To put things in perspective, these are the people who have been
> insulting on this post:
>
> Mark Lawrence (once, probably without meaning to be insulting)
> Nikos
> Antoon Pardon

I don't consider something insulting if it can be supported
by argument and evidence.

I stand by my statement that Nikos behaved like incompetent
inconsidered jerk can be supported as such. So if this
is insulting it only is in the same matter that the
truth can be insulting.

> And here are the people who have reminded them to stop:
>
> Steve Simmons
> Steven D'Aprano
> Andrew Berg
> Walter Hurry
> rusi
> Joshua Landau (me)
>
> So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
> the list. I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you
> two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for the rest of us. It
> is not hard to avoid making your disagreements public.

Well nobody is representing the list. So where does that leave us?
And perhaps I am causing a lot of trouble, that doesn't mean I am
wrong. Maybe it is time to question the way this list in general
tries to avoid trouble.

-- 
Antoon Pardon.

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#49585

On 1 July 2013 20:12, Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> Op 01-07-13 18:56, Joshua Landau schreef:
>
>>
>> To put things in perspective, these are the people who have been
>> insulting on this post:
>>
>> Mark Lawrence (once, probably without meaning to be insulting)
>> Nikos
>> Antoon Pardon
>
>
> I don't consider something insulting if it can be supported
> by argument and evidence.
>
> I stand by my statement that Nikos behaved like incompetent
> inconsidered jerk can be supported as such. So if this
> is insulting it only is in the same matter that the
> truth can be insulting.

Well then you are wrong. But fine, I'll use your definition incorrect
as it may be (when talking to you, please don't misrepresent my other
posts).

Nevertheless, these statements that we are talking about, that I shall
now term "pseudo-insults", are unwanted and not called for. Please
keep them off-list.

>> And here are the people who have reminded them to stop:
>>
>> Steve Simmons
>> Steven D'Aprano
>> Andrew Berg
>> Walter Hurry
>> rusi
>> Joshua Landau (me)
>>
>> So yes, Antoon Pardon and Nikos, please stop. You are not representing
>> the list. I haven't followed any of the other arguments, true, but you
>> two in particular are causing a lot of trouble for the rest of us. It
>> is not hard to avoid making your disagreements public.
>
>
> Well nobody is representing the list. So where does that leave us?

I am afraid you are wrong. The body of people of this list, as a
whole, represent this list. As a whole, as I have shown, they resent
your pseudo-insults. rusi is an exception, who only seems to resent
Nikos's, but rusi has not fallen to pseudo-insults himself (herself?).

> And perhaps I am causing a lot of trouble, that doesn't mean I am
> wrong. Maybe it is time to question the way this list in general
> tries to avoid trouble.

Irrelevant. Your pseudo-insults are unwanted. Please stop. Argue all
you want - I'm not going to judge who's right. But I'd rather you
appreciate that no-one wants your pseudo-insults on this list.

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#49623

Op 01-07-13 21:28, Joshua Landau schreef:

> Well then you are wrong. But fine, I'll use your definition incorrect
> as it may be (when talking to you, please don't misrepresent my other
> posts).
>
> Nevertheless, these statements that we are talking about, that I shall
> now term "pseudo-insults", are unwanted and not called for. Please
> keep them off-list.
This doesn't make sense. This means that someone can behave like a jerk
on this list, later tries to spin his behaviour as some innocent exchange
of ideas and make it near impossible for others to make it clear what
bullshit he is peddling because stating clearly how much like a jerk he

behaved would be insulting. This is giving those who are behaving badly

a huge advantage.


>> Well nobody is representing the list. So where does that leave us?
> I am afraid you are wrong. The body of people of this list, as a
> whole, represent this list. As a whole, as I have shown, they resent
> your pseudo-insults. rusi is an exception, who only seems to resent
> Nikos's, but rusi has not fallen to pseudo-insults himself (herself?).
You have shown no such thing. You have shown some people who resent
my speaking clearly. That doesn't mean much, those that resent
something are always making more noise than those who don't care or
would even prefer it that way.


>> And perhaps I am causing a lot of trouble, that doesn't mean I am
>> wrong. Maybe it is time to question the way this list in general
>> tries to avoid trouble.
> Irrelevant. Your pseudo-insults are unwanted. Please stop. Argue all
> you want - I'm not going to judge who's right. But I'd rather you
> appreciate that no-one wants your pseudo-insults on this list.
You have no authority to speak for everyone. You can't be even sure
you speak for a majority, because once some small minority starts
to speak up and pretend they speak for the whole group those who
think differently often enough don't speak up.

But for your ease of mind I'll make it clear I have no intention
of haunting Nikos or of keeping him the subject of discussion.
But should I stumble on a conversation in which his past behaviour
is framed as him being innocentltly asking questions, I will point
of what bullshit that is.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#49630

On 2 July 2013 08:22, Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> Op 01-07-13 21:28, Joshua Landau schreef:
>
>> Well then you are wrong. But fine, I'll use your definition incorrect
>> as it may be (when talking to you, please don't misrepresent my other
>> posts).
>>
>> Nevertheless, these statements that we are talking about, that I shall
>> now term "pseudo-insults", are unwanted and not called for. Please
>> keep them off-list.
> This doesn't make sense. This means that someone can behave like a jerk
> on this list, later tries to spin his behaviour as some innocent exchange
> of ideas and make it near impossible for others to make it clear what
> bullshit he is peddling because stating clearly how much like a jerk he
>
> behaved would be insulting. This is giving those who are behaving badly
>
> a huge advantage.

No it does not. I'd give you more of a counter but I actually have no
idea how you came up with that.

>>> Well nobody is representing the list. So where does that leave us?
>> I am afraid you are wrong. The body of people of this list, as a
>> whole, represent this list. As a whole, as I have shown, they resent
>> your pseudo-insults. rusi is an exception, who only seems to resent
>> Nikos's, but rusi has not fallen to pseudo-insults himself (herself?).
> You have shown no such thing. You have shown some people who resent
> my speaking clearly.

I'd prefer you use my less ambiguous term "pseudo-insults". If you'd
prefer, you can rename it. Using weasel-words helps nobody.

I have no problem with you "speaking clearly" in a literal sense. I
have a problem with your pseudo-insults. If you want to use "speaking
clearly" to mean "pseudo-insult", you're going to have to point out
that you're using words how they're not literally intended.

> That doesn't mean much, those that resent
> something are always making more noise than those who don't care or
> would even prefer it that way.

Only the people, no - person, making most noise is you. So you've
sort-a countered your point. Sort of. But it's hard to counter a point
that is basically just "well, despite the fact no-one supports my view
there might be other silent people who do".

> But for your ease of mind I'll make it clear I have no intention
> of haunting Nikos or of keeping him the subject of discussion.
> But should I stumble on a conversation in which his past behaviour
> is framed as him being innocentltly asking questions, I will point
> of what bullshit that is.

Fair enough. If that's all you did in this thread, then I wouldn't care.

But once again you seem to have missed the point that I and others
keep reiterating: pseudo-insults have no place on this list.


(If you need a reminder, pseudo-insults are just what other people
term "insults". You can change the name if you see fit.)

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#49634

Op 02-07-13 11:34, Joshua Landau schreef:

> No it does not. I'd give you more of a counter but I actually have no
> idea how you came up with that.
Please answer the following question. If someone behaved incompetently,
how can I clearly state that fact when "incompetently" is seen as an
insult and insults don't belong on the list?


>>>> Well nobody is representing the list. So where does that leave us?
>>> I am afraid you are wrong. The body of people of this list, as a
>>> whole, represent this list. As a whole, as I have shown, they resent
>>> your pseudo-insults. rusi is an exception, who only seems to resent
>>> Nikos's, but rusi has not fallen to pseudo-insults himself (herself?).
>> You have shown no such thing. You have shown some people who resent
>> my speaking clearly.
> I'd prefer you use my less ambiguous term "pseudo-insults". If you'd
> prefer, you can rename it. Using weasel-words helps nobody.
>
> I have no problem with you "speaking clearly" in a literal sense. I
> have a problem with your pseudo-insults. If you want to use "speaking
> clearly" to mean "pseudo-insult", you're going to have to point out
> that you're using words how they're not literally intended.
What if using pseudo-insults was the most clear way to describe the
situation. Should I start looking for eufenisms?


>> But for your ease of mind I'll make it clear I have no intention
>> of haunting Nikos or of keeping him the subject of discussion.
>> But should I stumble on a conversation in which his past behaviour
>> is framed as him being innocentltly asking questions, I will point
>> of what bullshit that is.
> Fair enough. If that's all you did in this thread, then I wouldn't care.
>
> But once again you seem to have missed the point that I and others
> keep reiterating: pseudo-insults have no place on this list.
>
>
> (If you need a reminder, pseudo-insults are just what other people
> term "insults". You can change the name if you see fit.)
So what are the non-insulting terms for 

incompentent, (starting a webservice in a language you're a newby in,
making changes on the life server so that any typo you make, can take
your site out the air),

inconsiderate (behave annoyingly in multiple ways and despite poeple pointing
it out multiple times, mostly continue in the same manner, without taking
their remarks into account) and 

jerk (trying to spin your inconsiderate behaviour as you being the victim,
misrepresenting your behaviour when it is being discussed, always "explaining"
your behaviour, as if an explanation would make a difference to the annoyance
you caused to others...)

-- 
Antoon Pardon 

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