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  PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 08:03 -0800
    Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-16 08:07 -0800
      Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 08:09 -0800
        Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-16 16:18 +0000
          Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 08:30 -0800
            Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS YBM <ybmess@nooos.fr.invalid> - 2013-11-16 17:46 +0100
              Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Nikos <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-11-16 19:00 +0200
                Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-16 09:02 -0800
                  Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-16 17:24 +0000
                Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS YBM <ybmess@nooos.fr.invalid> - 2013-11-16 20:46 +0100
                  Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-16 12:13 -0800
              Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Nikos <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-11-16 19:14 +0200
                Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-16 09:20 -0800
              Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Nikos <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-11-17 11:12 +0200
                Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-17 03:50 -0800
                Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS YBM <ybmess@nooos.fr.invalid> - 2013-11-17 13:30 +0100
                  Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-17 04:34 -0800
                    Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-17 12:45 +0000
                      Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-17 04:57 -0800
                        Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-17 13:07 +0000
                        Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-17 14:33 +0100
    Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-16 15:02 -0600
      Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Nikos <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-11-17 11:15 +0200
    Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-16 21:20 +0000
    Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-16 22:26 +0100
    Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-16 21:44 +0000
    Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-16 23:07 +0100
    Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS xDog Walker <thudfoo@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 08:24 -0800
    Re: PYTHON 3.4 LEFTOVERS PyRate <pyrate@email.cz> - 2013-11-16 17:26 +0100

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#59725

Op 17-11-13 14:07, Mark Lawrence schreef:
> On 17/11/2013 12:57, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:45:05 AM UTC-5, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>> On 17/11/2013 12:34, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>>>> YBM: I'm going to politely ask you again to please stop.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Don't answer off-topic questions here.  It only encourages more off-topic questions.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Don't be abusive.  http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
>>>>
>>>> 3) Lastly, your abuse is in the form of a (rhetorical) question, which is likely to simply cause another answer, which we don't want.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, please do what you can to make this community the kind that you want.
>>>>
>>>> --Ned.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So I'll ask again, why is YBM singled out for the code of conduct when I
>>> can't remember it ever being aimed at Nikos?  This strikes me as dual
>>> standards, something that I dislike intensely.
>>>
>>> Mark Lawrence
>>
>> Mark, if you are going to play the self-appointed policeman of fairness,
>> you need to stay on top of things.  I posted this message within the last
>> day, on this very thread:
>> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-November/660343.html
>>
>> --Ned.
>> 
> Brilliant, he's been plaguing us for months and you pulled him up yesterday,

> but YBM gets singled out first time (s)he's here, I really love the consistency.
> How many other people have the code of conduct thrust down their throats the
> first time they arrive here, very few I imagine?

Mark,
I don't think this is helping. AFAIU you wished for a change in behaviour on
this list. You thought people were tolerating Nikos's deviantion from the
code of conduct for far too long. So of course people will not be consistent
with the past, because that would mean that should a second Nikos arrive here
the chance of repeating the past would be very high. So of course people
will get the code of conduct trust down on them sooner than happened in the past.

AFAICS, Ned is putting a lot of energy into trying to limit the damage that
Nikos's threads can impose of the list. Is it perfect? No, but I very much
appreciate what he is doing none the less because it is far more preferable
than what happened in the past.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#59655

On 2013-11-16 08:03, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> root@secure [~]# find / -name python3.4 | rm -rf   
[snip]
> 1. DELETE ALL REMAINS OF PYTHON3.4

I'm surprised I haven't seen the suggestion to move the "/" to the
end of the entire command...it would certainly DELETE ALL REMAINS OF
PYTHON3.4 ;-)

Note1: DO NOT DO THIS unless you want to also DELETE ALL REMAINS OF
YOUR HARD DRIVE.  But hey, Python3.4 would be gone in the process...

Note2: you're running commands you don't understand AS ROOT?!?!?!
You're just asking for trouble there.

Note3: since "locate" uses a cached DB of files for rapid finding,
and your process doesn't rebuild that locate-DB, they'll continue to
show up even after you eventually figure out how to successfully
remove the files.  Use "find" for both purposes:  deletion and
verification.

-tkc

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#59705

Στις 16/11/2013 11:02 μμ, ο/η Tim Chase έγραψε:
> On 2013-11-16 08:03, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>> root@secure [~]# find / -name python3.4 | rm -rf
> [snip]
>> 1. DELETE ALL REMAINS OF PYTHON3.4
>
> I'm surprised I haven't seen the suggestion to move the "/" to the
> end of the entire command...it would certainly DELETE ALL REMAINS OF
> PYTHON3.4 ;-)
>
> Note1: DO NOT DO THIS unless you want to also DELETE ALL REMAINS OF
> YOUR HARD DRIVE.  But hey, Python3.4 would be gone in the process...
>
> Note2: you're running commands you don't understand AS ROOT?!?!?!
> You're just asking for trouble there.
>
> Note3: since "locate" uses a cached DB of files for rapid finding,
> and your process doesn't rebuild that locate-DB, they'll continue to
> show up even after you eventually figure out how to successfully
> remove the files.  Use "find" for both purposes:  deletion and
> verification.
>
> -tkc
>
>
>
>
>

Yeah, 'rm -rf /' will certainly would have worked not questions asked :)

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#59658

On 16/11/2013 21:02, Tim Chase wrote:
> On 2013-11-16 08:03, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>> root@secure [~]# find / -name python3.4 | rm -rf
> [snip]
>> 1. DELETE ALL REMAINS OF PYTHON3.4
>
> I'm surprised I haven't seen the suggestion to move the "/" to the
> end of the entire command...it would certainly DELETE ALL REMAINS OF
> PYTHON3.4 ;-)
>
> Note1: DO NOT DO THIS unless you want to also DELETE ALL REMAINS OF
> YOUR HARD DRIVE.  But hey, Python3.4 would be gone in the process...
>
> Note2: you're running commands you don't understand AS ROOT?!?!?!
> You're just asking for trouble there.
>
> Note3: since "locate" uses a cached DB of files for rapid finding,
> and your process doesn't rebuild that locate-DB, they'll continue to
> show up even after you eventually figure out how to successfully
> remove the files.  Use "find" for both purposes:  deletion and
> verification.
>
> -tkc
>

Please stop feeding him, TIA.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#59659

Op 16-11-13 22:02, Tim Chase schreef:
> On 2013-11-16 08:03, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>> root@secure [~]# find / -name python3.4 | rm -rf   
> [snip]
>> 1. DELETE ALL REMAINS OF PYTHON3.4
> 
> I'm surprised I haven't seen the suggestion to move the "/" to the
> end of the entire command...it would certainly DELETE ALL REMAINS OF
> PYTHON3.4 ;-)
> 
> Note1: ...
> 
> Note2: ...
> 
> Note3: ...

Tim,

Please don't encourage our Help Vampire. I know this is generally a
welcoming community that is generous with its expertise, even if
someone asks questions beyond python. But Nikos abuses that generousity
which angers and frustrates a lot of people and generates a lot of
hostility here.

So we need people not to encourage Nikos and that means being rather
less friendly with him than with others. So please ignore non
python questions from him. With respect to python questions: Don't
spoon feed him. Don't answer his questions for him or do his work for
him. Give him the information he needs to find things out himself,
preferably refer him to the documentation.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#59660

On 16/11/2013 21:26, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>
> Please don't encourage our Help Vampire. I know this is generally a
> welcoming community that is generous with its expertise, even if
> someone asks questions beyond python. But Nikos abuses that generousity
> which angers and frustrates a lot of people and generates a lot of
> hostility here.
>
> So we need people not to encourage Nikos and that means being rather
> less friendly with him than with others. So please ignore non
> python questions from him. With respect to python questions: Don't
> spoon feed him. Don't answer his questions for him or do his work for
> him. Give him the information he needs to find things out himself,
> preferably refer him to the documentation.
>

Although I agree with the sentiments that you give above, I've come to 
the conclusion that giving him anything is a complete waste of our time. 
  Why answer his questions if he then states he doesn't want to do it 
that way?  Why refer him to documentation if he refuses to read it?
I don't like saying this but I believe the only way to get any peace 
around here is to ignore him completely.  Surely by now he's way past 
his "three strikes and you're out" limit?

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#59662

Op 16-11-13 22:44, Mark Lawrence schreef:
> On 16/11/2013 21:26, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>>
>> Please don't encourage our Help Vampire. I know this is generally a
>> welcoming community that is generous with its expertise, even if
>> someone asks questions beyond python. But Nikos abuses that generousity
>> which angers and frustrates a lot of people and generates a lot of
>> hostility here.
>>
>> So we need people not to encourage Nikos and that means being rather
>> less friendly with him than with others. So please ignore non
>> python questions from him. With respect to python questions: Don't
>> spoon feed him. Don't answer his questions for him or do his work for
>> him. Give him the information he needs to find things out himself,
>> preferably refer him to the documentation.
>>
> 
> Although I agree with the sentiments that you give above, I've come to 
> the conclusion that giving him anything is a complete waste of our time.
> Why answer his questions if he then states he doesn't want to do it that
> way?  Why refer him to documentation if he refuses to read it?
> 
> I don't like saying this but I believe the only way to get any peace
> around here is to ignore him completely.  Surely by now he's way past
> his "three strikes and you're out" limit?

Well I personnaly tend to agree. However I fear that a number of persons
will always feel uncomfortable with ignoring Nikos completely. So I see
this as a compremise. Those who feel they can't completely ignore Nikos
can in this way still contribute in a way that doesn't encourage the
help vampiristic behaviour.

And maybem just maybe if enough people only refer him to the documentation
Nikos will finally start reading them.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#59679

On Saturday 2013 November 16 08:03, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
> root@secure [~]# find / -name python3.4 | rm -rf  
>
> root@secure [~]# locate python3.4
> /root/.local/lib/python3.4
> /usr/local/include/python3.4m
> /usr/local/lib/libpython3.4m.a
> /usr/local/lib/python3.4
> /usr/local/share/man/man1/python3.4.1

You need to run updatedb after rm before locate will show any change.

Read the man page for locate.

-- 
Yonder nor sorghum stenches shut ladle gulls stopper torque wet 
strainers.

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#59681

If it is not clear yet, then this is a obvious troll [1].


[1] http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/flame_62.php



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