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  First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-29 10:40 -0700
    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-29 18:09 +0000
      Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-29 11:23 -0700
        Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-29 11:35 -0700
          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-10-29 19:24 +0000
            Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-29 13:08 -0700
              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-29 13:11 -0700
                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-29 20:37 +0000
                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-10-30 01:44 +0000
              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-29 16:30 -0400
              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-29 20:32 +0000
                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-10-30 11:53 +1300
              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2013-10-30 00:07 -0700
                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 01:52 -0700
                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 02:48 -0700
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 02:52 -0700
                      Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 10:00 +0000
                        Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 03:13 -0700
                          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 05:08 -0700
                          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-30 08:51 -0400
                        Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 03:42 -0700
                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 03:08 -0700
                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 03:11 -0700
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 03:19 -0700
                      Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 11:05 +1000
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 07:24 -0700
                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:42 +1100
                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-10-30 14:07 +0000
                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Tim Roberts <timr@probo.com> - 2013-11-02 13:19 -0700
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-11-03 12:33 +0100
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-11-03 04:54 -0800
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-11-03 04:55 -0800
                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-30 13:01 +0100
                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-30 15:50 +0000
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 08:54 -0700
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-30 19:59 +0100
                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 23:17 +1100
                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-30 13:42 +0100
                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-10-30 14:22 +0000
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 07:31 -0700
                      Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 15:09 +0000
                        Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 08:35 -0700
                          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 08:51 -0700
                          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-10-30 15:51 +0000
                            Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 09:14 -0700
                              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-10-30 16:47 -0400
                              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 11:07 +1000
                          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:53 -0700
                            Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Kushal Kumaran <kushal.kumaran+python@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 22:00 +0530
                              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 09:45 -0700
                          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 15:54 +0000
                            Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 08:57 -0700
                              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-10-30 16:13 +0000
                              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 09:16 -0700
                                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 16:38 +0000
                              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 16:22 +0000
                                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 09:31 -0700
                                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-10-30 17:44 +0000
                                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 10:55 -0700
                                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 11:02 -0700
                                      Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-30 20:09 +0100
                                        Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 12:16 -0700
                                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-30 19:01 +0100
                                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 11:43 -0700
                                      Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 19:05 +0000
                                        Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 12:13 -0700
                                          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-30 20:59 +0100
                                          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-30 16:52 -0400
                                          Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-30 22:07 +0100
                                            Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 00:37 -0700
                                              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-31 10:11 +0000
                                                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 04:07 -0700
                                                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-11-01 11:17 +0000
                                                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 09:52 -0700
                                              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-31 12:12 +0100
                                                Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 04:40 -0700
                                                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-31 14:01 +0000
                                                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 08:30 -0700
                                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 11:55 -0700
                                      Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-30 19:26 +0000
                                        Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 12:38 -0700
                                        Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 12:41 -0700
                                  Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-10-31 03:02 +0000
                              Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-10-30 16:50 -0400
                            Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop jonas.thornvall@gmail.com - 2013-10-30 09:19 -0700
                      Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-10-30 15:15 +0000
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-30 15:56 +0100
                      Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-10-30 16:07 +0000
                        Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2013-10-30 16:14 +0000
                    Re: First day beginner to python, add to counter after nested loop rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-10-30 10:02 -0700

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#58088

Op 30-10-13 19:02, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com schreef:
> Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 18:44:20 UTC+1 skrev MRAB:
>> On 30/10/2013 16:31, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 17:22:23 UTC+1 skrev Mark Lawrence:
>>
>>> No that is not my problem, apparently so it is that the newsreader constructors do not like the competition of Google groups otherwise they would had written the five lines of codes necessary to remove the empty linebreaks.
>>
>>> I like web based features, and i will use them until "they get it right, understood?"
>>
>>> End of story
>>
>>>
>>
>> Google Groups aren't following the standard. Everybody else is. Why
>>
>> should everybody else have to add a fix to correct what Google Groups
>>
>> keeps getting wrong?
>
> I do see though this have to be something related to their database, nothing they do by purpose. So unless the database storing messages change, it probably would need an ugly fix like a script.
>
> So probably you should direct your question to either the creators of googles database or beg the creators of google groups to do a fix...

You are wrong. If you use a service that is faulty, then the annoyance
that creates, is your responsibilty.

Just suppose your neighbours rented a paint pistol that was faulty and 
because of that they sprayed paint on some of your valuables. Would you
agree that it wouldn't be their problem. Would you agree they could
just continue using that paint pistol spraying paint on your possession
and telling you, you should go to the firm where they rented the paint
pistol with your complaints?

You are using faulty news software that contributes hard to read 
messages and thus pollutes the newsgroup. I understand this is not
your intention but it sure is the effect of your behaviour. So
you are polluting this newsgroup and now you have been made aware of
it. Continueing with the same behaviour will not encourage others to
help you in the future.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#58090

Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 20:09:45 UTC+1 skrev Antoon Pardon:
> Op 30-10-13 19:02, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com schreef:
> 
> > Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 18:44:20 UTC+1 skrev MRAB:
> 
> >> On 30/10/2013 16:31, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> >>
> 
> >>> Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 17:22:23 UTC+1 skrev Mark Lawrence:
> 
> >>
> 
> >>> No that is not my problem, apparently so it is that the newsreader constructors do not like the competition of Google groups otherwise they would had written the five lines of codes necessary to remove the empty linebreaks.
> 
> >>
> 
> >>> I like web based features, and i will use them until "they get it right, understood?"
> 
> >>
> 
> >>> End of story
> 
> >>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Google Groups aren't following the standard. Everybody else is. Why
> 
> >>
> 
> >> should everybody else have to add a fix to correct what Google Groups
> 
> >>
> 
> >> keeps getting wrong?
> 
> >
> 
> > I do see though this have to be something related to their database, nothing they do by purpose. So unless the database storing messages change, it probably would need an ugly fix like a script.
> 
> >
> 
> > So probably you should direct your question to either the creators of googles database or beg the creators of google groups to do a fix...
> 
> 
> 
> You are wrong. If you use a service that is faulty, then the annoyance
> 
> that creates, is your responsibilty.
> 
> 
> 
> Just suppose your neighbours rented a paint pistol that was faulty and 
> 
> because of that they sprayed paint on some of your valuables. Would you
> 
> agree that it wouldn't be their problem. Would you agree they could
> 
> just continue using that paint pistol spraying paint on your possession
> 
> and telling you, you should go to the firm where they rented the paint
> 
> pistol with your complaints?
> 
> 
> 
> You are using faulty news software that contributes hard to read 
> 
> messages and thus pollutes the newsgroup. I understand this is not
> 
> your intention but it sure is the effect of your behaviour. So
> 
> you are polluting this newsgroup and now you have been made aware of
> 
> it. Continueing with the same behaviour will not encourage others to
> 
> help you in the future.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Antoon Pardon

No certainly not you are incorrect, either annoyed readers, newsreaders or you chose to filter out the annoyance, or you implement the fucking 5 lines of code making it. And one certainly can wonder why Google have not done that.

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#58078

Op 30-10-13 17:31, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com schreef:
> Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 17:22:23 UTC+1 skrev Mark Lawrence:
>>
>> I have no need to implement a newsreader as I can quite happily send and
>>
>> receive data using Thunderbird.  There are several other similar email
>>
>> options available.  An alternative is for you to show others some
>>
>> courtesy and follow the instructions that would show just a few lines up
>>
>> from here, except that your insistence on using bug ridden technology
>>
>> means it's actually light years away.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Python is the second best programming language in the world.
>>
>> But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Lawrence
>
> No that is not my problem, apparently so it is that the newsreader constructors do not like the competition of Google groups otherwise they would had written the five lines of codes necessary to remove the empty linebreaks.
> I like web based features, and i will use them until "they get it right, understood?"
> End of story
>
If you persist, it will become your problem soon enough. Annoying the
people, you come to for help, will not motivate them in actually
helping you. Mark may be the loudest in making his annoyance clear, he
is not the only one that is annoyed.

You are misbehaving by burdening other people with the annoying results
of your choice of news reading tool. That the cause is buggy google ware
doesn't diminish your responsibility. As it is the mood is tense because
a number of people already feel that others are too patient with
annoying behaviour and your contributions are not helping.

So if you find it important to have a welcoming python community that in
general will gladly help you along, you may reconsider that end of
story.

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#58081

Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 19:01:40 UTC+1 skrev Antoon Pardon:
> Op 30-10-13 17:31, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com schreef:
> 
> > Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 17:22:23 UTC+1 skrev Mark Lawrence:
> 
> >>
> 
> >> I have no need to implement a newsreader as I can quite happily send and
> 
> >>
> 
> >> receive data using Thunderbird.  There are several other similar email
> 
> >>
> 
> >> options available.  An alternative is for you to show others some
> 
> >>
> 
> >> courtesy and follow the instructions that would show just a few lines up
> 
> >>
> 
> >> from here, except that your insistence on using bug ridden technology
> 
> >>
> 
> >> means it's actually light years away.
> 
> >>
> 
> >>
> 
> >>
> 
> >> --
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Python is the second best programming language in the world.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer
> 
> >>
> 
> >>
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Mark Lawrence
> 
> >
> 
> > No that is not my problem, apparently so it is that the newsreader constructors do not like the competition of Google groups otherwise they would had written the five lines of codes necessary to remove the empty linebreaks.
> 
> > I like web based features, and i will use them until "they get it right, understood?"
> 
> > End of story
> 
> >
> 
> If you persist, it will become your problem soon enough. Annoying the
> 
> people, you come to for help, will not motivate them in actually
> 
> helping you. Mark may be the loudest in making his annoyance clear, he
> 
> is not the only one that is annoyed.
> 
> 
> 
> You are misbehaving by burdening other people with the annoying results
> 
> of your choice of news reading tool. That the cause is buggy google ware
> 
> doesn't diminish your responsibility. As it is the mood is tense because
> 
> a number of people already feel that others are too patient with
> 
> annoying behaviour and your contributions are not helping.
> 
> 
> 
> So if you find it important to have a welcoming python community that in
> 
> general will gladly help you along, you may reconsider that end of
> 
> story.

Well i like help, i like explanations, i like logic, i like smartness.
But what i do not understand is how simple problems can not be solved without manual work. Do you like brackets, do you like indentations.... i don't..

I may come across like a buffon that now nothing but that is not the case, i am actually pretty smart i could say fucking smart but that would annoy the anal monkeys to know there is people a lot smarter than them that is not anal, so let us play it causal. 

I  simply want things done (and i certainly have had things done) both inside and outside the pyphoone community, i have no intention to steer things up, i just want everything for the better.

And ***that is not by having every stupid anal monkey sitting manually removing linebreaks by hand***

Is that understood?

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#58087

On 30/10/2013 18:43, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
> And ***that is not by having every stupid anal monkey sitting manually removing linebreaks by hand***
>
> Is that understood?
>

Nobody would have to remove line breaks by hand if you, yes you 
jonasthornvall at GMAIL.COM didn't use a tool that inserts them in the 
first place.

Is that understood?

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#58089

Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 20:05:07 UTC+1 skrev Mark Lawrence:
> On 30/10/2013 18:43, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > And ***that is not by having every stupid anal monkey sitting manually removing linebreaks by hand***
> 
> >
> 
> > Is that understood?
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> Nobody would have to remove line breaks by hand if you, yes you 
> 
> jonasthornvall at GMAIL.COM didn't use a tool that inserts them in the 
> 
> first place.
> 
> 
> 
> Is that understood?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Python is the second best programming language in the world.
> 
> But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Lawrence

No it isn't...
The programmers of the tools on either of side will have to adapt.
I wish it would be Google but it could be a database problem, but what do i know maybe their fucking with you.



 

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#58107

Op 30-10-13 20:13, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com schreef:
> Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 20:05:07 UTC+1 skrev Mark Lawrence:
>> On 30/10/2013 18:43, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> And ***that is not by having every stupid anal monkey sitting manually removing linebreaks by hand***
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Is that understood?
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody would have to remove line breaks by hand if you, yes you
>>
>> jonasthornvall at GMAIL.COM didn't use a tool that inserts them in the
>>
>> first place.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is that understood?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Python is the second best programming language in the world.
>>
>> But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Lawrence
>
> No it isn't...
> The programmers of the tools on either of side will have to adapt.
> I wish it would be Google but it could be a database problem, but what do i know maybe their fucking with you.

Why should people who are using good functioning tools have to adapt to
someone, in this case being you, who is using tools that are behaving 
faulty and as an effect is polluting the news group with hard to read
contributions?

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#58115

On 10/30/13 3:59 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 30-10-13 20:13, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com schreef:
>> Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 20:05:07 UTC+1 skrev Mark 
>> Lawrence:
>>> On 30/10/2013 18:43, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> And ***that is not by having every stupid anal monkey sitting 
>>>> manually removing linebreaks by hand***
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Is that understood?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nobody would have to remove line breaks by hand if you, yes you
>>>
>>> jonasthornvall at GMAIL.COM didn't use a tool that inserts them in the
>>>
>>> first place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that understood?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Python is the second best programming language in the world.
>>>
>>> But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Lawrence
>>
>> No it isn't...
>> The programmers of the tools on either of side will have to adapt.
>> I wish it would be Google but it could be a database problem, but 
>> what do i know maybe their fucking with you.
>
> Why should people who are using good functioning tools have to adapt to
> someone, in this case being you, who is using tools that are behaving 
> faulty and as an effect is polluting the news group with hard to read
> contributions?
>

Can I suggest that perhaps Jonas is someone best ignored?  It's clear he 
is not willing to join the community, and does not value much of what we 
have to say.  In addition, he seems to be above providing details for 
claims he makes.

--Ned.

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#58130

Op 30-10-13 21:52, Ned Batchelder schreef:
> On 10/30/13 3:59 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Op 30-10-13 20:13, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com schreef:
>>>
>>> No it isn't...
>>> The programmers of the tools on either of side will have to adapt.
>>> I wish it would be Google but it could be a database problem, but what do i know maybe their fucking with you.
>>
>> Why should people who are using good functioning tools have to adapt to
>> someone, in this case being you, who is using tools that are behaving faulty and as an effect is polluting the news group with hard to read
>> contributions?
>>
> 
> Can I suggest that perhaps Jonas is someone best ignored?  It's clear
> he is not willing to join the community, and does not value much of
> what we have to say.  In addition, he seems to be above providing details
> for claims he makes.

Yes, you can suggest that. I might extend him the benefit of doubt for one
or two more exchanges, but if I don't notice any appearance of good will by
then I will in the future mostly ignore him.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#58154

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:37:31 AM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 30-10-13 21:52, Ned Batchelder schreef:
> > On 10/30/13 3:59 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> >> Op 30-10-13 20:13, Jonas schreef:
> >>> No it isn't...
> >>> The programmers of the tools on either of side will have to adapt.
> >>> I wish it would be Google but it could be a database problem, but what do i know maybe their fucking with you.
> >> Why should people who are using good functioning tools have to adapt to
> >> someone, in this case being you, who is using tools that are behaving faulty and as an effect is polluting the news group with hard to read
> >> contributions?
> > Can I suggest that perhaps Jonas is someone best ignored?  It's clear
> > he is not willing to join the community, and does not value much of
> > what we have to say.  In addition, he seems to be above providing details
> > for claims he makes.

> Yes, you can suggest that. I might extend him the benefit of doubt for one
> or two more exchanges, but if I don't notice any appearance of good will by
> then I will in the future mostly ignore him.

Couple of things I wish to say:
1. One of the tragedies of human relations is escalation:
 - I shout at you
 - You hit me
 - I shoot you
 - You bomb me and mine (and not remotely mine) out of existence
 - and so on

If Mark had not been rude to Jonas and explained to him at a little more length, maybe he would not be assholing in full-blast.
Or maybe not… Maybe he is just trolling… Just sayin': We dont really know

2. Antoon: I was a bit surprised at your siding with the indentation business. As an old-geezer programmer I can think of a number of reasons why,
indentation=structure is a problem. Thats a subject for another thread.

However for a thread whose subject-line says "First day beginner to python…"
I am surprised that you (ie Antoon) participated.
I say this since wrt the Nikos-issue, you seem to be the only sane guy around who feels the Nikos-threads are more the problem than Nikos.

3. I am posting this from GG.  And NO hand cut-paste-edit. 
Firefox sends over the text to emacs.
emacs auto-cleans up the GG crap
When I exit emacs Im back in firefox with a clean text
[Thanks Kushal for the tip]

I dont expect Jonas to try or listen but there are thousands of other GG users
And if there is some problem (textual please not political or philosophical!)
I'd appreciate being told.

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#58160

On 31/10/2013 07:37, rusi wrote:
>
> If Mark had not been rude to Jonas and explained to him at a little more length, maybe he would not be assholing in full-blast.
>

What rubbish.  The OP was asked repeatedly, first by Dave Angel and then 
by myself, not to post double spaced crap.  He simply refused to do so. 
  I then stated that the best solution was for him to stop posting. 
Where in this exchange was I rude?

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#58163

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:41:41 PM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 31/10/2013 07:37, rusi wrote:
> > If Mark had not been rude to Jonas and explained to him at a little more length, maybe he would not be assholing in full-blast.
> What rubbish.  The OP was asked repeatedly, first by Dave Angel and then 
> by myself, not to post double spaced crap.  He simply refused to do so. 
>   I then stated that the best solution was for him to stop posting. 
> Where in this exchange was I rude?

Well I wonder whether I want to get in here… I am assuming you are
genuinely asking and I am correspondingly answering:

When you tell someone to get out -- 'to stop posting' is kind of equivalent
to that -- you dont leave much scope for dialogue :-)

I see that you asked him some 6-7 times before that. So I am not really
blaming you for what you did.  Just trying to suggest that those half-dozen
times could have been louder and more detailed before saying: Please go
away from here!

Also others (Alister?) were double-space-reply-posting as well.  When you
mean to point out a behavior without getting personal, it helps
to point out all instances of that behavior.  Otherwise it looks like you
are going for someone, when in fact you are going against something.

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#58256

On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:07:14 -0700, rusi wrote:

> 
> Also others (Alister?) were double-space-reply-posting as well.  When
> you mean to point out a behavior without getting personal, it helps to
> point out all instances of that behavior.  Otherwise it looks like you
> are going for someone, when in fact you are going against something.

oops sorry I though I had trimmed the posts i replied to to only the 
relevant parts.

I also find the double posting annoying but don't get overly excited 
about it. I did however find Jonus' attitude to become unacceptable after 
he had this problem pointed out.



-- 
I'm having an emotional outburst!!

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#58281

On Friday, November 1, 2013 4:47:40 PM UTC+5:30, Alister wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 04:07:14 -0700, rusi wrote:

> > Also others (Alister?) were double-space-reply-posting as well.  When
> > you mean to point out a behavior without getting personal, it helps to
> > point out all instances of that behavior.  Otherwise it looks like you
> > are going for someone, when in fact you are going against something.

> oops sorry I though I had trimmed the posts i replied to to only the 
> relevant parts.


> -- 
> I'm having an emotional outburst!!


From python the comic through python the language to python the soap
[Just sayin' on this thread whats 'foaming' on the apology-thread]

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#58164

Op 31-10-13 08:37, rusi schreef:
> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:37:31 AM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Op 30-10-13 21:52, Ned Batchelder schreef:
>>> On 10/30/13 3:59 PM, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>>>> Op 30-10-13 20:13, Jonas schreef:
>>>>> No it isn't...
>>>>> The programmers of the tools on either of side will have to adapt.
>>>>> I wish it would be Google but it could be a database problem, but what do i know maybe their fucking with you.
>>>> Why should people who are using good functioning tools have to adapt to
>>>> someone, in this case being you, who is using tools that are behaving faulty and as an effect is polluting the news group with hard to read
>>>> contributions?
>>> Can I suggest that perhaps Jonas is someone best ignored?  It's clear
>>> he is not willing to join the community, and does not value much of
>>> what we have to say.  In addition, he seems to be above providing details
>>> for claims he makes.
> 
>> Yes, you can suggest that. I might extend him the benefit of doubt for one
>> or two more exchanges, but if I don't notice any appearance of good will by
>> then I will in the future mostly ignore him.
> 
> Couple of things I wish to say:
> 1. One of the tragedies of human relations is escalation:
>  - I shout at you
>  - You hit me
>  - I shoot you
>  - You bomb me and mine (and not remotely mine) out of existence
>  - and so on
> 
> If Mark had not been rude to Jonas and explained to him at a little more
> length, maybe he would not be assholing in full-blast.
> Or maybe not… Maybe he is just trolling… Just sayin': We dont really know

Let's assume you are correct. I don't find it makes that much of a difference.
If it takes one person being rude to you, to make you go assholing in full-blast
then you are a problem. If one person being rude to you makes you blind to the
negative effects your bahaviour has on a whole group and makes you effectively
say you don't care about the annoyance you are causing then you are a biiger
problem than the person being rude.

> 
> 2. Antoon: I was a bit surprised at your siding with the indentation business.
> As an old-geezer programmer I can think of a number of reasons why,
> indentation=structure is a problem. Thats a subject for another thread.

You didn't expect me to be perfect, did you? What bothered me was that some
responses made using python like a religion. Remarks like: "Your mind was
poisoned by other languages" or "You will grow to love some python aspect".
People can argue the advantages of how python does it, but my buttons get
pushed when they do it in a way that suggest you are just not a true convert
yet.

> However for a thread whose subject-line says "First day beginner to python…"
> I am surprised that you (ie Antoon) participated.
> I say this since wrt the Nikos-issue, you seem to be the only sane guy around
> who feels the Nikos-threads are more the problem than Nikos.

Nikos has a history, Jonas didn't. So I was willing to give Jonas the benefit of
doubt, while Nikos has spend that a long time ago. As you, I considered it a real
possibility that Jonas had been provoked somehow, so I was willing to give him
a chance by trying to explain things to him in a not provocative way, in the hope
he would calm down and be willing to be more cooperative. In the end that doesn't
seem to have worked out well but I thought he deserved a chance.

Now I wouldn't mind if some people would still give Jonas some benefit of doubt
where mine is exhausted. People can have wider boundaries than mine. However with
Nikos, it seemed that some people just didn't had any boundaries and expected
Nikos to be treated as if he had no history.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#58167

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:42:15 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 31-10-13 08:37, rusi schreef:

> > 2. Antoon: I was a bit surprised at your siding with the indentation business.
> > As an old-geezer programmer I can think of a number of reasons why,
> > indentation=structure is a problem. Thats a subject for another thread.

> You didn't expect me to be perfect, did you? 

:-)

> What bothered me was that some
> responses made using python like a religion. Remarks like: "Your mind was
> poisoned by other languages" or "You will grow to love some python aspect".
> People can argue the advantages of how python does it, but my buttons get
> pushed when they do it in a way that suggest you are just not a true convert
> yet.

Ok fair enough.
It just seems to me that if (ever!) something like a guideline/code
for this list is made, one thing needed is that somethings are
negotiable some not.  In particular, python programs are what we discuss, PL design only at the fringes.

Especially when an absolute noob starts holding forth about python without having a clue, I feel the most fruitful lines is to not agree or disagree but to say: "Python programs are what we discuss here; not python. Please treat python as a given -- like the sun, moon and taxes."

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#58173

On 31/10/2013 11:40, rusi wrote:
>
> Please treat python as a given -- like the sun, moon and taxes."
>

You missed the most obvious one, trolls :)

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#58185

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:31:14 PM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 31/10/2013 11:40, rusi wrote:
> > Please treat python as a given -- like the sun, moon and taxes."

> You missed the most obvious one, trolls :)

:D

Only that's not an element but a set -- trolls, nuts, dicks, philosophers -- 
and other yet-to-be-classified denizens of internetia

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#58084

Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 19:01:40 UTC+1 skrev Antoon Pardon:
> Op 30-10-13 17:31, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com schreef:
> 
> > Den onsdagen den 30:e oktober 2013 kl. 17:22:23 UTC+1 skrev Mark Lawrence:
> 
> >>
> 
> >> I have no need to implement a newsreader as I can quite happily send and
> 
> >>
> 
> >> receive data using Thunderbird.  There are several other similar email
> 
> >>
> 
> >> options available.  An alternative is for you to show others some
> 
> >>
> 
> >> courtesy and follow the instructions that would show just a few lines up
> 
> >>
> 
> >> from here, except that your insistence on using bug ridden technology
> 
> >>
> 
> >> means it's actually light years away.
> 
> >>
> 
> >>
> 
> >>
> 
> >> --
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Python is the second best programming language in the world.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer
> 
> >>
> 
> >>
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Mark Lawrence
> 
> >
> 
> > No that is not my problem, apparently so it is that the newsreader constructors do not like the competition of Google groups otherwise they would had written the five lines of codes necessary to remove the empty linebreaks.
> 
> > I like web based features, and i will use them until "they get it right, understood?"
> 
> > End of story
> 
> >
> 
> If you persist, it will become your problem soon enough. Annoying the
> 
> people, you come to for help, will not motivate them in actually
> 
> helping you. Mark may be the loudest in making his annoyance clear, he
> 
> is not the only one that is annoyed.
> 
> 
> 
> You are misbehaving by burdening other people with the annoying results
> 
> of your choice of news reading tool. That the cause is buggy google ware
> 
> doesn't diminish your responsibility. As it is the mood is tense because
> 
> a number of people already feel that others are too patient with
> 
> annoying behaviour and your contributions are not helping.
> 
> 
> 
> So if you find it important to have a welcoming python community that in
> 
> general will gladly help you along, you may reconsider that end of
> 
> story.

And it is certainly no problem to me it just means 10 more minutes now and then, the first week or two looking it up myself. But it adds up and the introduction to a programming language is always the hardest part, and finding out that the monkeys that implemented python can not follow directions, was the hardest part.  The fuckers turned to go anal, and i do not like it. No more then i like the anal fuckers in any programming language. There seem to be these people around on every usenet programming group, so i wonder is this a programmer feature to go anal? 

I consider myself a sloppy but intelligent person. So who are these anal monkeys  that seem to pop up in every NG dealing with programming i want to do a Myer-Briggs on the fuckers and make them conform to intelligence not anal behaviour but is it even possible?

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#58094

On 30/10/2013 18:55, jonas.thornvall@gmail.com wrote:
>
> And it is certainly no problem to me it just means 10 more minutes now and then, the first week or two looking it up myself. But it adds up and the introduction to a programming language is always the hardest part, and finding out that the monkeys that implemented python can not follow directions, was the hardest part.  The fuckers turned to go anal, and i do not like it. No more then i like the anal fuckers in any programming language. There seem to be these people around on every usenet programming group, so i wonder is this a programmer feature to go anal?
>
> I consider myself a sloppy but intelligent person. So who are these anal monkeys  that seem to pop up in every NG dealing with programming i want to do a Myer-Briggs on the fuckers and make them conform to intelligence not anal behaviour but is it even possible?
>

Thank you for being honest enough to tell us what you're really like. 
I've certainly known a few people shoot themselves in the foot over the 
years, but I never thought I'd come across a Black Knight who could chop 
off his own arms and legs.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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