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  Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-06-20 01:41 +0000
    Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked? Peter Pearson <ppearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2011-06-20 16:49 +0000
      Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-06-20 23:49 +0000
        Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked? Peter Pearson <ppearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2011-06-21 16:58 +0000
    Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked? Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2011-06-20 12:21 -0500
    Re: Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-06-22 10:49 +1000

#7994 — Is the mailing list to usenet gateway borked?

The last couple of messages on this list <python-list@python.org> show up 
fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on comp.lang.python. Is 
there a problem with the mail -> usenet gateway?

Who controls that?



-- 
Steven

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#8018

On 20 Jun 2011 01:41:44 GMT, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> The last couple of messages on this list <python-list@python.org> show up 
> fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on comp.lang.python. Is 
> there a problem with the mail -> usenet gateway?

I don't see any empty posts on comp.lang.python.  Can we talk
about a specific post?  For example, this recent post is not
empty when retrieved from news.individual.net using slrn:

    To: python-list@python.org
    From: Terry Reedy
    Subject: Re: threading : make stop the caller
    Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:58:56 -0400


-- 
To email me, substitute nowhere->spamcop, invalid->net.

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#8039

On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:49:33 +0000, Peter Pearson wrote:

> On 20 Jun 2011 01:41:44 GMT, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> The last couple of messages on this list <python-list@python.org> show
>> up fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on
>> comp.lang.python. Is there a problem with the mail -> usenet gateway?
> 
> I don't see any empty posts on comp.lang.python.  Can we talk about a
> specific post?  For example, this recent post is not empty when
> retrieved from news.individual.net using slrn:
> 
>     To: python-list@python.org
>     From: Terry Reedy
>     Subject: Re: threading : make stop the caller Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011
>     12:58:56 -0400


It seems to be a bug in my news client, Pan, because I've tried 
downloading the posts in another client and they are not empty. However, 
something has changed, because it only started recently -- I've never 
seen such "empty" posts before, not in 5+ years of posting with Pan, and 
within the last 24 hours or so, I am seeing dozens, in two different 
versions.

I will treat this as a bug in Pan, and take it to the appropriate forums, 
but for anyone who cares, here's one example:

From:   Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>
Subject:   Re: What is this syntax ?
Newsgroups:   comp.lang.python
References:   <4dfdfc99$0$715$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <4dfe10d1$0$28053
$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <roy-2A6DC8.11394419062011@news.panix.com> 
<e724fc3e-8198-4fb7-b1d3-96834f3fa6bb@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com> <roy-
DD0C35.16204819062011@news.panix.com> <mailman.164.1308517611.1164.python-
list@python.org>
MIME-Version:   1.0
Content-Type:   text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding:   8bit
Date:   19 Jun 2011 23:19:56 GMT
Lines:   36
Message-ID:   <4dfe841c$0$30002$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>


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Steven

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#8100

On 20 Jun 2011 23:49:11 GMT, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[snip]
> I will treat this as a bug in Pan, and take it to the appropriate forums, 
> but for anyone who cares, here's one example:
>
> From:   Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info>
> Subject:   Re: What is this syntax ?
> Newsgroups:   comp.lang.python
> References:   <4dfdfc99$0$715$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <4dfe10d1$0$28053
> $426a34cc@news.free.fr> <roy-2A6DC8.11394419062011@news.panix.com> 
><e724fc3e-8198-4fb7-b1d3-96834f3fa6bb@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com> <roy-
> DD0C35.16204819062011@news.panix.com> <mailman.164.1308517611.1164.python-
> list@python.org>
> MIME-Version:   1.0
> Content-Type:   text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding:   8bit
> Date:   19 Jun 2011 23:19:56 GMT
> Lines:   36
> Message-ID:   <4dfe841c$0$30002$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com>

As you probably expected, that message is displayed normally
by slrn.

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#8019

On 06/19/2011 08:41 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> The last couple of messages on this list<python-list@python.org>  show up
> fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on comp.lang.python. Is
> there a problem with the mail ->  usenet gateway?

I haven't noticed any issues.  I tend to send via email 
(python-list@python.org) and receive via gmane's news interface. 
  Occasionally Thunderbird will hiccup on a post, failing to 
download the body (it has a feel like a race-condition in my 
experience).  Your post shows you're using Pan, so you might try 
poking at your news-server through a different news-reader and 
see if you experience the same issue(s).

-tkc

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#8153

Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> writes:

> The last couple of messages on this list <python-list@python.org> show
> up fine on the mailman archives, but are empty posts on
> comp.lang.python. Is there a problem with the mail -> usenet gateway?

I don't see empty messages through Usenet.

However, at around the time you reported this, I started seeing some
(not many) messages each day with strange mangling of the header: the
Date field showing Unix epoch, the Subject field truncated, and the From
field showing the remainder from the Subject.

Another distortion is that the summary of message size (which I think is
derived from the Lines field) shows zero for all those problematic
messages. That may indicate a link between the problems we're seeing.

For example:

=====
O  [20110621T054352:  2.0k: deathweaselx86      ]─── Is there any advantage or disadvantage to using sets over list comps to ensure a list
O  [20110621T111058:  2.8k: Steven D'Aprano     ]├─► [...]
O  [20110621T135956:  1.9k: rusi                ]└─► [...]
O  [19700101T100000:  0.0k: comps to ensure a li]*── Re: Is there any advantage or disadvantage to using sets over list
O  <19700101T100000:  0.0k: comps to ensure a li>  └─► [...]
O  [20110618T161430:  3.5k: Gregory Ewing       ]─── ANN: PyGUI 2.5.1
=====

The problematic messages in the above example are Message-ID:
<mailman.191.1308600028.1164.python-list@python.org> and
<mailman.213.1308627006.1164.python-list@python.org>. The messages, when
retrieved, have the right content and even the fields in the header
appear fine.

My news service for ‘comp.lang.python’ is currently provided from
‘astraweb.com’.

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