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  Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 08:54 -0700
    Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Joost Molenaar <j.j.molenaar@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 20:59 +0200
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA SuperHost - Nikos <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-09-15 23:56 +0300
    Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 07:31 +1000
    Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-15 17:57 -0400
    Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-16 01:52 +0000
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 09:44 +0300
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-16 09:29 +0200
        Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 11:04 +0300
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 17:44 +1000
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 17:46 +1000
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-16 10:07 +0200
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 18:12 +1000
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-16 10:12 +0200
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 18:19 +1000
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-16 10:43 +0200
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 18:48 +1000
      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-16 11:40 +0200
        Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 12:45 +0300
          Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Joost Molenaar <j.j.molenaar@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 12:06 +0200
            Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 11:21 +0000
              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 14:37 +0300
                Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-09-16 13:44 +0200
                  Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 15:11 +0300
                    Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-09-16 14:17 +0200
                    Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-16 14:56 +0200
                      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 18:02 +0300
                        Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 19:09 +0000
                          Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 17:07 -0400
                          Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 00:18 +0300
                        Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-16 23:41 +0000
                          Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-09-17 12:46 +0200
                            Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-17 14:37 +0000
                            Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 18:17 +0300
                              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 16:30 +0000
                                Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 00:42 +0300
                                  Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 07:47 +1000
                                  Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-09-17 18:34 -0400
                                  Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-18 05:20 +0000
                                  Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-09-18 18:31 -0400
                                  Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-18 23:55 +0000
                              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-09-17 19:29 -0400
                                Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Νίκος <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-21 12:21 +0300
                                  Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-09-21 09:29 -0400
                                    Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-09-23 11:17 +1000
                              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-09-17 22:58 -0400
                          Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 07:55 -0400
                            Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 15:11 +0300
                              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 13:51 +0100
                              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-17 14:52 +0200
                              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Jake Angulo <jake.angulo@gmail.com> - 2013-09-20 13:56 +1000
                                Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA feedthetroll@gmx.de - 2013-09-20 04:05 -0700
                              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-09-20 08:48 +0200
                              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-09-20 10:26 +0100
                          Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-09-17 14:22 +0200
                      Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 19:15 +0300
                        Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 19:23 +0300
                          Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-09-16 19:07 +0000
                        Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-09-16 13:53 -0400
                          Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-09-17 00:15 +0300
                            Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-09-16 20:40 -0500
                              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA feedthetroll@gmx.de - 2013-09-16 23:15 -0700
              Re: Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA Heiko Wundram <modelnine@modelnine.org> - 2013-09-16 13:32 +0200

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#54188 — Tryign to send mail via a python script by using the local MTA

try:
	# prepare mail data
	FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com'
	TO = "nikos.gr33k@gmail.com"
			
	SUBJECT = random_char( 50 )
	MESSAGE = random_char( 500 )
		
  os.system( "echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM, SUBJECT, TO) )

print( "<h2><font color=blue>%sη αποστολή προς %s επετεύχθη!</font></h2>" % (times, TO) )
	except Exception as e:
		print( "sendmail => ", date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) )

sys.exit(0)

========================================
========================================

I'am still trying to send successfulyl a mail through my local host by using the local MTA, trying to avoid using GMail's SMTP server but the mail never gets send

this is the error message:

[code]
nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# python mail.py 
LOG: MAIN
  cwd=/home/nikos/public_html/cgi-bin 6 args: send-mail -i -v -r ZYN1KGSCT9@JRV0CEI7TX.com nikos.gr33k@gmail.com
LOG: MAIN
  <= ZYN1KGSCT9@JRV0CEI7TX.com U=nikos P=local S=1052 id=5235d7f5.bzP0TUy4ZQEOp7Dh%ZYN1KGSCT9@JRV0CEI7TX.com T="QOU0ULMZBF7RGG7B260YERPPXXLTVQ9WKJ93ZXYABQNNA0XB9I"
Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8

<h2><font color=blue>0η αποστολή προς nikos.gr33k@gmail.com επετεύχθη!</font></h2>
LOG: MAIN
  cwd=/var/spool/exim 4 args: /usr/sbin/exim -v -Mc 1VLEdZ-0001Xg-6b
delivering 1VLEdZ-0001Xg-6b
nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# LOG: MAIN
  SMTP connection outbound 1379260405 1VLEdZ-0001Xg-6b superhost.gr nikos.gr33k@gmail.com
Connecting to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26]:25 ... connected
  SMTP<< 220 mx.google.com ESMTP e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
  SMTP>> EHLO secure.superhost.gr
  SMTP<< 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58]
         250-SIZE 35882577
         250-8BITMIME
         250-STARTTLS
         250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
         250 CHUNKING
  SMTP>> STARTTLS
  SMTP<< 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
  SMTP>> EHLO secure.superhost.gr
  SMTP<< 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58]
         250-SIZE 35882577
         250-8BITMIME
         250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
         250 CHUNKING
  SMTP>> MAIL FROM:<ZYN1KGSCT9@JRV0CEI7TX.com> SIZE=2090
  SMTP<< 250 2.1.0 OK e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
  SMTP>> RCPT TO:<nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
  SMTP<< 250 2.1.5 OK e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
  SMTP>> DATA
  SMTP<< 354  Go ahead e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
  SMTP>> writing message and terminating "."
  SMTP<< 250 2.0.0 OK 1379260407 e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
  SMTP>> QUIT
LOG: MAIN
  => nikos.gr33k@gmail.com R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26] X=TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128
LOG: MAIN
  Completed
[/code]


Since all looks okey why the mail never gets delivered?

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#54189

Since the From address is random, it most likely doesn't exist, which
could be reason for Google's smtp server to reject the message or to
deliver it to spam.

Also, the reverse DNS for 84.200.17.58 does not resolve to
secure.superhost.gr, which could also be reason to reject the message.

On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> try:
>         # prepare mail data
>         FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com'
>         TO = "nikos.gr33k@gmail.com"
>
>         SUBJECT = random_char( 50 )
>         MESSAGE = random_char( 500 )
>
>   os.system( "echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM, SUBJECT, TO) )
>
> print( "<h2><font color=blue>%sη αποστολή προς %s επετεύχθη!</font></h2>" % (times, TO) )
>         except Exception as e:
>                 print( "sendmail => ", date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) )
>
> sys.exit(0)
>
> ========================================
> ========================================
>
> I'am still trying to send successfulyl a mail through my local host by using the local MTA, trying to avoid using GMail's SMTP server but the mail never gets send
>
> this is the error message:
>
> [code]
> nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# python mail.py
> LOG: MAIN
>   cwd=/home/nikos/public_html/cgi-bin 6 args: send-mail -i -v -r ZYN1KGSCT9@JRV0CEI7TX.com nikos.gr33k@gmail.com
> LOG: MAIN
>   <= ZYN1KGSCT9@JRV0CEI7TX.com U=nikos P=local S=1052 id=5235d7f5.bzP0TUy4ZQEOp7Dh%ZYN1KGSCT9@JRV0CEI7TX.com T="QOU0ULMZBF7RGG7B260YERPPXXLTVQ9WKJ93ZXYABQNNA0XB9I"
> Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8
>
> <h2><font color=blue>0η αποστολή προς nikos.gr33k@gmail.com επετεύχθη!</font></h2>
> LOG: MAIN
>   cwd=/var/spool/exim 4 args: /usr/sbin/exim -v -Mc 1VLEdZ-0001Xg-6b
> delivering 1VLEdZ-0001Xg-6b
> nikos@superhost.gr [~/www/cgi-bin]# LOG: MAIN
>   SMTP connection outbound 1379260405 1VLEdZ-0001Xg-6b superhost.gr nikos.gr33k@gmail.com
> Connecting to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26]:25 ... connected
>   SMTP<< 220 mx.google.com ESMTP e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
>   SMTP>> EHLO secure.superhost.gr
>   SMTP<< 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58]
>          250-SIZE 35882577
>          250-8BITMIME
>          250-STARTTLS
>          250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
>          250 CHUNKING
>   SMTP>> STARTTLS
>   SMTP<< 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
>   SMTP>> EHLO secure.superhost.gr
>   SMTP<< 250-mx.google.com at your service, [84.200.17.58]
>          250-SIZE 35882577
>          250-8BITMIME
>          250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
>          250 CHUNKING
>   SMTP>> MAIL FROM:<ZYN1KGSCT9@JRV0CEI7TX.com> SIZE=2090
>   SMTP<< 250 2.1.0 OK e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
>   SMTP>> RCPT TO:<nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
>   SMTP<< 250 2.1.5 OK e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
>   SMTP>> DATA
>   SMTP<< 354  Go ahead e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
>   SMTP>> writing message and terminating "."
>   SMTP<< 250 2.0.0 OK 1379260407 e49si15825947eep.141 - gsmtp
>   SMTP>> QUIT
> LOG: MAIN
>   => nikos.gr33k@gmail.com R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [173.194.70.26] X=TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128
> LOG: MAIN
>   Completed
> [/code]
>
>
> Since all looks okey why the mail never gets delivered?
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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#54190

Στις 15/9/2013 9:59 μμ, ο/η Joost Molenaar έγραψε:
> Also, the reverse DNS for 84.200.17.58 does not resolve to
> secure.superhost.gr, which could also be reason to reject the message.

How can i fix this please?

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#54191

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since all looks okey why the mail never gets delivered?

This is not a Python question. If it were, I would be asking how
you're getting _anywhere_ with that code, which appears to have
IndentationErrors in it.

You're also using os.system() with interpolated content. What
_exactly_ is random_char() able to return? Is it possible for it to do
the wrong thing there?

ChrisA

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#54192

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On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Ferrous Cranus <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Since all looks okey why the mail never gets delivered?
>
> This is not a Python question. If it were, I would be asking how
> you're getting _anywhere_ with that code, which appears to have
> IndentationErrors in it.
>
>
> ChrisA
> --
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>

This questions sounds like it should be asked of your hosting company.
They may not allow there servers to be used this way.  What have they told
you?


-- 
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com

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#54195

Hi Nikos,

I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put 
into your question.

Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do 

improt os

first or it wont work.,


When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start 
caring about the answers I give you.



On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:54:48 -0700, Ferrous Cranus wrote:

> try:
> 	# prepare mail data
> 	FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com' TO =
> 	"nikos.gr33k@gmail.com"
> 			
> 	SUBJECT = random_char( 50 )
> 	MESSAGE = random_char( 500 )
> 		
>   os.system( "echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
>   SUBJECT, TO) )
> 
> print( "<h2><font color=blue>%sη αποστολή προς %s
> επετεύχθη!</font></h2>" % (times, TO) )
> 	except Exception as e:
> 		print( "sendmail => ", date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) )
> 
> sys.exit(0)




-- 
Steven

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#54201

Στις 16/9/2013 4:52 πμ, ο/η Steven D'Aprano έγραψε:
> Hi Nikos,
>
> I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put
> into your question.
>
> Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do
>
> improt os
>
> first or it wont work.,
>
>
> When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start
> caring about the answers I give you.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:54:48 -0700, Ferrous Cranus wrote:
>
>> try:
>> 	# prepare mail data
>> 	FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com' TO =
>> 	"nikos.gr33k@gmail.com"
>> 			
>> 	SUBJECT = random_char( 50 )
>> 	MESSAGE = random_char( 500 )
>> 		
>>    os.system( "echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM,
>>    SUBJECT, TO) )
>>
>> print( "<h2><font color=blue>%sη αποστολή προς %s
>> επετεύχθη!</font></h2>" % (times, TO) )
>> 	except Exception as e:
>> 		print( "sendmail => ", date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) )
>>
>> sys.exit(0)
>
>
>
>
Steven of course i have imported the 'os' module.
I try to send mail from different FROM filed just like as a visitor 
guest will use the webform to compete his own email.

but since you ask here is the whole code with the function displayed too.

#=================================================================================================================
# if html form is submitted then send user mail
#=================================================================================================================
def random_char( y, chars=string.ascii_uppercase + string.digits ):
	return ''.join( random.choice(chars) for x in range(y) )


for times in range(0, 1):
	try:
		# prepare mail data
		FROM = random_char(10) + '@' + random_char(10) + '.com'
		TO = "nikos.gr33k@gmail.com"
			
		SUBJECT = random_char( 50 )
		MESSAGE = random_char( 500 )
		
		os.system( "echo %s | mailx -v -r %s -s %s %s" % (MESSAGE, FROM, 
SUBJECT, TO) )

		print( "<h2><font color=blue>%sη αποστολή προς %s 
επετεύχθη!</font></h2>" % (times, TO) )
	except Exception as e:
		print( "sendmail => ", date, repr( sys.exc_info() ) )

sys.exit(0)
==================================================================================================================


Is there a way to avoid the hostname and the ip address from being 
revealed when i'am sending an email?

Because the mails finally got delivered to my gmail account after many 
hours of delay, and in the headers they are detailes like hostname and 
ip address of my server which i dont want to be revealed.

i can alter FROM, TO, subject, message can i also alter the hostname fo 
the server the the mail derived from?

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#54205

Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> Hi Nikos,
> 
> I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put 
> into your question.
> 
> Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do 
> 
> improt os
> 
> first or it wont work.,
> 
> 
> When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start 
> caring about the answers I give you.

And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the
list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he
asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you
too can contribute in a careless manner?

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#54208

Στις 16/9/2013 10:29 πμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:
> Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>> Hi Nikos,
>>
>> I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put
>> into your question.
>>
>> Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do
>>
>> improt os
>>
>> first or it wont work.,
>>
>>
>> When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start
>> caring about the answers I give you.
>
> And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the
> list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he
> asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you
> too can contribute in a careless manner?
>
My question is not careless.
I have stated exactly the problem and shown relevant code of what i'm 
trying to accomplish.

1 have almost 10 responses and not even one of them is being a proper 
answer to my initial question.

My question is clear.

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#54206

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
<antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>> Hi Nikos,
>>
>> I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put
>> into your question.
>>
>> Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do
>>
>> improt os
>>
>> first or it wont work.,
>>
>>
>> When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start
>> caring about the answers I give you.
>
> And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the
> list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he
> asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you
> too can contribute in a careless manner?

bceause its funnyer that way?

Also, how will other people learn that they should put some effort
into their questions? If people are only ever corrected privately,
nobody will learn from anyone else. Orders of magnitude more people
will read this than just the OP, which is why I still respond to jmf
about Unicode even though I know he isn't listening. It's worth it for
the hundreds (thousands? millions? Maybe even more?) of other people
who'll read and learn.

ChrisA

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#54207

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
<antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> instead of showing us all that you
> too can contribute in a careless manner?

Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks
careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point.

ChrisA

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#54209

Op 16-09-13 09:44, Chris Angelico schreef:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>> Op 16-09-13 03:52, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>>> Hi Nikos,
>>>
>>> I'm now going to put as much care and attention into my answer as you put
>>> into your question.
>>>
>>> Have uy tryed imprting os first? u nmeed to do
>>>
>>> improt os
>>>
>>> first or it wont work.,
>>>
>>>
>>> When you give evidence of caring about the questions you ask, I'll start
>>> caring about the answers I give you.
>>
>> And why do you find it necessary to impart your careless answer on the
>> list? If you find he doesn't show enough care about the questions he
>> asks, why don't you just ignore him, instead of showing us all that you
>> too can contribute in a careless manner?
> 
> bceause its funnyer that way?

Funny for who? Personnaly I was rather amused by some of the reactions
that Nikos received and that were ill received by some people here.
So why should your of steve's fun trump my amusment?

> Also, how will other people learn that they should put some effort
> into their questions? If people are only ever corrected privately,
> nobody will learn from anyone else. Orders of magnitude more people
> will read this than just the OP,

I didn't complain about his respons being public.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#54210

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Antoon Pardon
<antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>> Also, how will other people learn that they should put some effort
>> into their questions? If people are only ever corrected privately,
>> nobody will learn from anyone else. Orders of magnitude more people
>> will read this than just the OP,
>
> I didn't complain about his respons being public.

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing

Sometimes, things are better said than not-said. In fact, that's
*often* true. Maybe it's unpleasant for the person the jab is aimed
at; maybe it feels awkward for you, as an onlooker. But for the good
of python-list, Nikos has to be told that putting minimal effort into
his questions is a bad thing, and if you're going to say that, may as
well say it in a funny way.

Plus, Steven was making a solid point, too. So if you want Nikos to be
ignored by anyone who can't be completely "friendly", what you'll end
up with is materially less content on the list.

ChrisA

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#54211

Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>> instead of showing us all that you
>> too can contribute in a careless manner?
> 
> Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks
> careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point.

So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like
it was carelessly written.

Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of
means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that.
If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes
a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him?

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#54212

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Antoon Pardon
<antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef:
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
>> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>> instead of showing us all that you
>>> too can contribute in a careless manner?
>>
>> Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks
>> careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point.
>
> So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like
> it was carelessly written.

It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
different from actual carelessness.

> Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of
> means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that.
> If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes
> a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him?

In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
also gain (or lose) "points for style". Steven scored plenty of the
latter IMO. You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
believe that "making a point" is sufficient justification for what
Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies "any kind of means".
I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.

ChrisA

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#54213

Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Antoon Pardon
> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>> Op 16-09-13 09:46, Chris Angelico schreef:
>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Antoon Pardon
>>> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>>> instead of showing us all that you
>>>> too can contribute in a careless manner?
>>>
>>> Also: It takes effort to contribute usefully in a way that looks
>>> careless :) It's not saving effort, it's making a point.
>>
>> So what? The end result is still a contribution that looks like
>> it was carelessly written.
> 
> It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
> think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
> different from actual carelessness.

The question is, should they care about that difference. The end
result is a contribution that is just as hard to read.

>> Do you think making a point is an end that justifies any kind of
>> means? If not why do you argue in a way that suggest just that.
>> If yes, does that mean baiting Nikos is all right if it makes
>> a point, or responding somewhat obnoxious to him?
> 
> In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
> also gain (or lose) "points for style". Steven scored plenty of the
> latter IMO.

And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this?

> You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
> believe that "making a point" is sufficient justification for what
> Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies "any kind of means".

Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making
a point as if that in itself was sufficient.

> I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
> either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.

No it doesn't.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#54214

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Antoon Pardon
<antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef:
>> It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
>> think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
>> different from actual carelessness.
>
> The question is, should they care about that difference. The end
> result is a contribution that is just as hard to read.

Is it, really? I throw the question open: Is it really just as
difficult to read a deliberately-pointed-out sloppiness as an actual
one? And is it as much of a problem to the list?

>> In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
>> also gain (or lose) "points for style". Steven scored plenty of the
>> latter IMO.
>
> And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this?

"We" shouldn't. Style points are per-listener. In my eyes he did well.
You may well disagree.

>> You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
>> believe that "making a point" is sufficient justification for what
>> Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies "any kind of means".
>
> Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making
> a point as if that in itself was sufficient.

Context. Context. Context. Sufficient justification for what it was
used for. You do not seriously believe that that needs to be spelled
out?

>> I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
>> either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.
>
> No it doesn't.

No? He gave me his root password - check the list archives. I did none
of the above three destructive actions (nor any other destructive
action), even though it would have made my point much stronger to do
so.

ChrisA

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#54215

Op 16-09-13 10:48, Chris Angelico schreef:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Antoon Pardon
> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>> Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef:
>>> It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
>>> think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
>>> different from actual carelessness.
>>
>> The question is, should they care about that difference. The end
>> result is a contribution that is just as hard to read.
> 
> Is it, really? I throw the question open: Is it really just as
> difficult to read a deliberately-pointed-out sloppiness as an actual
> one? And is it as much of a problem to the list?

Do you think "improt" is easier to read when written so deliberatly
instead of out of carelessness?

>>> In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
>>> also gain (or lose) "points for style". Steven scored plenty of the
>>> latter IMO.
>>
>> And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this?
> 
> "We" shouldn't. Style points are per-listener. In my eyes he did well.
> You may well disagree.

Why do you keep introducing your personal appreciations while at the
same time you admit they don't carry much weight.

>>> You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
>>> believe that "making a point" is sufficient justification for what
>>> Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies "any kind of means".
>>
>> Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making
>> a point as if that in itself was sufficient.
> 
> Context. Context. Context. Sufficient justification for what it was
> used for. You do not seriously believe that that needs to be spelled
> out?

Your context adds nothing. The only thing that the context would add,
is that in this specific case you think that the end justifies the means
but it doesn't explain in any way on what grounds you think so. Those
that took Nikos to task earlier for his behaviour probably though their
end justified the means too.

So yes, if you don't want to give the impression that you are simply
ad hoccing what you personnally don't have a problem with, you'd
better spell a few things out.

>>> I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
>>> either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.
>>
>> No it doesn't.
> 
> No? He gave me his root password - check the list archives. I did none
> of the above three destructive actions (nor any other destructive
> action), even though it would have made my point much stronger to do
> so.

You behaved in a way some people clearly thought of a questionable. So
for those people you have established you are prepared to exhibit
questionable behaviour to make your point. So I think there are a
number of people who will think of you as not trustable enough to
withhold the behaviour in question here, when you think it would be
necessary to make your point.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#54216

Στις 16/9/2013 12:40 μμ, ο/η Antoon Pardon έγραψε:
> Op 16-09-13 10:48, Chris Angelico schreef:
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Antoon Pardon
>> <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>>> Op 16-09-13 10:19, Chris Angelico schreef:
>>>> It's a contribution that SAYS that it looks carelessly written. I
>>>> think most people here are intelligent enough to know that that's
>>>> different from actual carelessness.
>>>
>>> The question is, should they care about that difference. The end
>>> result is a contribution that is just as hard to read.
>>
>> Is it, really? I throw the question open: Is it really just as
>> difficult to read a deliberately-pointed-out sloppiness as an actual
>> one? And is it as much of a problem to the list?
>
> Do you think "improt" is easier to read when written so deliberatly
> instead of out of carelessness?
>
>>>> In a debate, you make points and counterpoints. In most debates, you
>>>> also gain (or lose) "points for style". Steven scored plenty of the
>>>> latter IMO.
>>>
>>> And why should we accept you as the arbiter for this?
>>
>> "We" shouldn't. Style points are per-listener. In my eyes he did well.
>> You may well disagree.
>
> Why do you keep introducing your personal appreciations while at the
> same time you admit they don't carry much weight.
>
>>>> You're here making a straw-man and a false dichotomy; I
>>>> believe that "making a point" is sufficient justification for what
>>>> Steven and I did, but I don't think it justifies "any kind of means".
>>>
>>> Then your argument was incomplete, because it just mentioned making
>>> a point as if that in itself was sufficient.
>>
>> Context. Context. Context. Sufficient justification for what it was
>> used for. You do not seriously believe that that needs to be spelled
>> out?
>
> Your context adds nothing. The only thing that the context would add,
> is that in this specific case you think that the end justifies the means
> but it doesn't explain in any way on what grounds you think so. Those
> that took Nikos to task earlier for his behaviour probably though their
> end justified the means too.
>
> So yes, if you don't want to give the impression that you are simply
> ad hoccing what you personnally don't have a problem with, you'd
> better spell a few things out.
>
>>>> I would not, for instance, destroy Nikos's server, data, or access to
>>>> either, to make a point; and history will confirm this.
>>>
>>> No it doesn't.
>>
>> No? He gave me his root password - check the list archives. I did none
>> of the above three destructive actions (nor any other destructive
>> action), even though it would have made my point much stronger to do
>> so.
>
> You behaved in a way some people clearly thought of a questionable. So
> for those people you have established you are prepared to exhibit
> questionable behaviour to make your point. So I think there are a
> number of people who will think of you as not trustable enough to
> withhold the behaviour in question here, when you think it would be
> necessary to make your point.
>
Look,

i want this to stop.
Open your own thread and discuss this if you like.
This is a thread i opened for a specific question and all i see its 
irrelevant answers.

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#54217

> Look,
>
> i want this to stop.
> Open your own thread and discuss this if you like.
> This is a thread i opened for a specific question and all i see its
> irrelevant answers.

Hi Ferrous,

The problem is not in your Python code. You can debug it from the
command line by typing the 'echo ... | mailx' command your Python code
is executing.

Somewhere on your local SMTP or on Google's SMTP, your message is not
being processed the way you want it. There are many things that could
cause this -- SPF, DKIM, reverse DNS not being correct, the From
address being 'faked', or one of about a hunderd other factors. It's
most likely an issue in your local SMTP server's configuration. You'll
have to dive into the logs and do some research on how SMTP works
nowadays to find out what's happening.

But think about this: if I could send mail as nikos.gr33k@gmail.com,
just by typing a shell command, how could we ever trust e-mail to be
from who it really is? What if I send mail as
barack.obama@whitehouse.gov? What you're doing may look like spam from
Google's point of view, and that's why I think you're not receiving
the message.

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