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  Cookie fucking problem Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 16:27 +0300
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 00:39 +1100
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-27 00:40 +1100
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Yaşar Arabacı <yasar11732@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 17:05 +0300
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 15:34 +0100
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 17:55 +0300
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 16:21 +0100
          Re: Cookie fucking problem Nick the Gr33k <nikos.gr33k@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 18:25 +0300
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 16:50 +0100
              Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-26 09:05 -0700
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 17:22 +0100
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-27 08:43 +1100
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-27 14:30 +0100
              Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-28 07:44 +0000
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 09:10 +0100
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-28 14:33 +0000
                  Re: Cookie fucking problem Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-10-29 01:38 +1100
                  Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 16:07 +0100
                  Re: Cookie fucking problem Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-28 13:08 -0400
                    Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 10:53 -0700
                      Re: Cookie fucking problem Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-28 14:22 -0400
                        Being a welcoming place [was Re: Cookie fucking problem] Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-29 05:10 +0000
                Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-28 09:51 -0700
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-28 10:26 +1100
              Re: Cookie fucking problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 20:44 -0700
              Re: Cookie fucking problem Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-28 13:20 +0000
                Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-29 05:28 +0000
                  Re: Cookie fr*cking problem Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-10-29 12:17 +0000
            Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 08:13 +0100
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-10-26 12:00 -0400
      Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-26 16:00 +0000
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 17:19 +0100
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-26 19:18 +0200
          Re: Cookie fucking problem Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-28 14:38 +0000
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-26 19:23 +0200
        Re: Cookie xxxxing problem Stephan Vladimir Bugaj <sbugaj@pixar.com> - 2013-10-26 12:32 -0700
          Re: Cookie xxxxing problem rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-10-27 08:59 -0700
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-26 22:22 +0100
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-27 08:44 +1100
        Re: Cookie fucking problem Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-10-28 11:14 +0100
    Re: Cookie fucking problem Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-26 16:02 +0000
    Re: Cookie (expletive) problem Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-10-26 10:49 -0300

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#57844

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On 10/28/13 1:53 PM, rusi wrote:
> On Monday, October 28, 2013 10:38:45 PM UTC+5:30, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>>      We've already seen a few new people explicitly asking, "is this what
>>      usually happens on this list?" and they weren't referring to the
>>      Chris-style response, they were referring to the Mark-style
>>      response.
> Here's the post of Vladimir Bugaj earlier in this same thread:
>
>> I rarely ever post here.
>>
>> But I wanted to say that people responding to this Nikos troll makes reading
>> this list a nuisance.
>> You've never ever been successful in convincing him to behave, and it's been
>> going on for quite a while now.
>> I remain subscribed for occasional  interesting new idioms and tips, but
>> always have to sift through this nonsense.
>> And all of you who take the bait are as much a part of the problem as the troll.
>> Just ignore the guy.
> ---------
> How do you read this that he minds the 'Mark-style' post more than the 'Chris-style' post?

First, let's keep in mind that I am also in favor of completely ignoring 
help vampires, including Nikos.  I agree with Vladimir that we should 
just ignore him.

The posts I was thinking of started with Daniel Stojanov:

     "I just signed up the this mailing list. To the regulars, is this 
what normally happens on this list?"
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-October/656639.html

and the next day, Ravi Sahni said in response:

     "Lurker here: I too was wondering whether I have got into the wrong 
place"
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-October/656695.html

When people walk through the door, we should speak well to them.  If 
they are trouble, we should deal with them without it turning into a 
negative storm.  Remember that there are people looking in the windows 
trying to decide whether to come through the door.

--Ned.

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#57879 — Being a welcoming place [was Re: Cookie fucking problem]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:22:09 -0400, Ned Batchelder wrote:

> When people walk through the door, we should speak well to them.  If
> they are trouble, we should deal with them without it turning into a
> negative storm.  Remember that there are people looking in the windows
> trying to decide whether to come through the door.

+1


-- 
Steven

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#57837

On Monday, October 28, 2013 1:14:50 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Here's an analogy:
> 
> Person A: "Clean my room for me!"
> Person B: "No. Clean it yourself. Here's the vacuum cleaner."
> Person A: "CLEAN MY ROOM!!!"
> Person B: "No. You made the mess, you're old enough to clean it yourself."
> 
> 
> Person A: "Clean my room for me!"
> Person C: "You're stupid and ugly and I hope you die!"
> 
> 
> Do you see the difference yet?

Since we are exchanging analogies (analogy to exchanging anecdotes?) here's mine.

----------------
Mommy: Johnny your room needs to be cleaned up
Johnny: Yes Mom
(A few days later)
Mommy: Johnny your room's a real mess. Are you going to clean it?
Johnny: Yes Mom.
Mommy: When are you going to?
Johnny: Uh uh… Tomorrow
(Many tomorrow's more and Mommy-doing-basic-survival cleaning later…)
Mommy: Johny today's a Sunday. I expect your room thoroughly cleaned today!
Johnny: Uh uh…

(10 am as Johnny is going out with 'friends'…)

Mommy: I expect your room clean before you go out today!
Johnny: I'll  be back in just 15 minutes. Only 15 minutes. Please Mom!
Mommy: Johnny if your room is not cleaned today, there will be no lunch
Johnny: Uh uh
Mommy: You heard me right? No lunch if your room is a mess.
Johnny: Ok

(15 minutes stretches to 4 hours)

Johnny: Mom! I am hungry!
Mommy: Remember? No food until your room is cleaned up.
Johnny: MOM! Im HUNGRY! I'll do it after lunch!
Mommy: There's no food -- neither for you nor me -- until your room's done.

Johnny: (begins to scream bawl throw an tantrum)
Mommy: (screams back)

Neighbours are disturbed (Its Sunday afternoon!) They force their way in.
Immediately Johnny's tune changes -- all weak and tearful.

Johnny: Ive had no food… for days…
Neighbours: Whoa?! Whats happening?
Johnny: Mommy's VERY angry with me. And I dont even know why (sob)!

(Too bewildered to protest or retort… Mom soon finds herself marched off to the police station for child-abuse)

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#57773

Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> writes:

> Op 26-10-13 23:43, Ben Finney schreef:
> > Feel free to occupy your time with baiting Nikos. But *do not* do it
> > in this forum.
>
> Would you mind telling this to others too.

I'm not in any special position of power here; I'm not beholden to
address every instance of bad behaviour or none at all. Any member of
this community can apply the same social pressure, and together we can
cover as many of them as we choose.

I have no particular objection to you responding to those instances of
bad behaviour that I've omitted.

-- 
 \        “Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code |
  `\     will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live.” —John |
_o__)                                                         F. Woods |
Ben Finney

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#57783

On Monday, October 28, 2013 4:56:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
> I'm not in any special position of power here; I'm not beholden to
> address every instance of bad behaviour or none at all. Any member of
> this community can apply the same social pressure, and together we can
> cover as many of them as we choose.

Democracy and all that is good stuff for arm-chair philosophising.
On this list, as in real life, everyone is equal and some people are more equal.
So…

I think you are more influential here than the majority out here
And you are using that to try to keep some order out here -- for which thanks
(from me at least)

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#57821

On 2013-10-27, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> I have no particular objection to you responding to those
> instances of bad behaviour that I've omitted.

So you omitted them, eh?

You just omitted the body of the letter, that's all! You've left
out the body of the letter, that's all. Yours is not to reason
why, Jamison. You've left out the body of the letter!

...

Fine. Send it that way, and tell them the body will follow.

-- 
Neil Cerutti

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#57884

On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:20:17 +0000, Neil Cerutti wrote:

> On 2013-10-27, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
>> I have no particular objection to you responding to those instances of
>> bad behaviour that I've omitted.
> 
> So you omitted them, eh?
> 
> You just omitted the body of the letter, that's all! You've left out the
> body of the letter, that's all. Yours is not to reason why, Jamison.
> You've left out the body of the letter!
> 
> ...
> 
> Fine. Send it that way, and tell them the body will follow.

Was that the letter made out to the solicitors Hummerdinger, 
Hummerdinger, Hummerdinger, Hummerdinger, and McCormack? As I recall, not 
only did the secretary leave out one of the Hummerdingers, but he left 
out the most important one.



-- 
Steven

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#57908 — Re: Cookie fr*cking problem

On 2013-10-29, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:20:17 +0000, Neil Cerutti wrote:
>
>> On 2013-10-27, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
>>> I have no particular objection to you responding to those
>>> instances of bad behaviour that I've omitted.
>> 
>> So you omitted them, eh?
>> 
>> You just omitted the body of the letter, that's all! You've
>> left out the body of the letter, that's all. Yours is not to
>> reason why, Jamison. You've left out the body of the letter!
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> Fine. Send it that way, and tell them the body will follow.
>
> Was that the letter made out to the solicitors Hummerdinger,
> Hummerdinger, Hummerdinger, Hummerdinger, and McCormack? As I
> recall, not only did the secretary leave out one of the
> Hummerdingers, but he left out the most important one.

Yep, from, "Animal Crackers." Although I believe it's,
"Hunger-Dunger." You were close though. You were close though,
and I bet you still are. ;)

-- 
Neil Cerutti

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#57799

Op 28-10-13 00:26, Ben Finney schreef:
> Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> writes:
>
>> Op 26-10-13 23:43, Ben Finney schreef:
>>> Feel free to occupy your time with baiting Nikos. But *do not* do it
>>> in this forum.
>>
>> Would you mind telling this to others too.
>
> I'm not in any special position of power here; I'm not beholden to
> address every instance of bad behaviour or none at all.

Fine. But if what people see, is that you address specific people
instead of specific behaviour then don't expect your addressing
to carry much weight.

> Any member of
> this community can apply the same social pressure, and together we can
> cover as many of them as we choose.

Yes and can be as effective as as a cow cathing rabbits.

> I have no particular objection to you responding to those instances of
> bad behaviour that I've omitted.

You are missing the point. I don't think it would be very effective if
I would start critisising people I don't like and wouldn't address the
same behaviour from people I am sympathic with. That would just turn
this group in tribal factions.

Personnaly I don't mind baiting but if I feel there grows some kind of
consensus that baiting is considered off limits I'll reframe myself
and may even help to enforce it. However when I see the addressing
of baiting is limited to specific people, then all I see is an
expression of personal dislike.

-- 
Antoon Pardon.

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#57628

On 10/26/13 11:21 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 26/10/2013 15:55, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>> Στις 26/10/2013 5:34 μμ, ο/η Mark Lawrence έγραψε:
>>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>>
>>> Buy a sex manual.
>>>
>> No need, i can practice with your mother.
>>
>
> An interesting combination of stupid, tight fisted and a necrophiliac.
>

The only way to stop Nikos threads is to stop responding.  Your replies 
are part of the problem here.  Please stop.

--Ned.

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#57631

On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:34:23 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:

> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
> 
> Buy a sex manual.

Mark, please resist the urge to bait Nick with insults. As entertaining 
as they may be, they don't actually help reduce the problem.



-- 
Steven

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#57633

On 26/10/2013 17:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:34:23 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>
>> Buy a sex manual.
>
> Mark, please resist the urge to bait Nick with insults. As entertaining
> as they may be, they don't actually help reduce the problem.
>
>
>

I promise to stop baiting this complete and utter moron when I observe 
that nobody on this group says a single word to him as that's the only 
message that he'll understand.  Any word to him from anybody and I 
reserve the right to join in.

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#57647

Op 26-10-13 18:00, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:34:23 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>
>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>
>> Buy a sex manual.
>
> Mark, please resist the urge to bait Nick with insults. As entertaining
> as they may be, they don't actually help reduce the problem.

So? I haven't seen any reaction to Nikos reducing the problem. So if
that is your criterium, you should stop reacting yourself and ask
everyone else to stop reacting.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#57830

On 2013-10-26, Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
> Op 26-10-13 18:00, Steven D'Aprano schreef:
>> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:34:23 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>>
>>> Buy a sex manual.
>>
>> Mark, please resist the urge to bait Nick with insults. As entertaining
>> as they may be, they don't actually help reduce the problem.
>
> So? I haven't seen any reaction to Nikos reducing the problem. So if
> that is your criterium, you should stop reacting yourself and ask
> everyone else to stop reacting.

I think that's hit the nail on the head.  Any reponse to Nikos
produces the _exact_ same result: Nikos's web site is still broken,
Nikos still has no clue what's going on or what to do, and we get more
posts from Nikos.  None of the responses are helping Nikos, none of
them are solving problems.  Some of them are more entertaining that
others, but that's highly subjective.

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! I'm not an Iranian!!
                                  at               I voted for Dianne
                              gmail.com            Feinstein!!

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#57651

Op 26-10-13 18:19, Mark Lawrence schreef:
> On 26/10/2013 17:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:34:23 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>>
>>> Buy a sex manual.
>>
>> Mark, please resist the urge to bait Nick with insults. As entertaining
>> as they may be, they don't actually help reduce the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I promise to stop baiting this complete and utter moron when I observe
> that nobody on this group says a single word to him as that's the only
> message that he'll understand.  Any word to him from anybody and I
> reserve the right to join in.

I fear this strategy is not stable. Just suppose most people follow this
strategy but someone reacts to Nikos anyhow. Now suddenly a lot of
people feel they have the right to join in. And of course these
reactions will feed this feeling.

I understand you feel you don't have to keep silent if others aren't
but I wish your trigger would be less sensitive.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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#57653 — Re: Cookie xxxxing problem

I rarely ever post here.

But I wanted to say that people responding to this Nikos troll makes reading this list a nuisance.

You've never ever been successful in convincing him to behave, and it's been going on for quite a while now.

I remain subscribed for occasional  interesting new idioms and tips, but always have to sift through this nonsense.

And all of you who take the bait are as much a part of the problem as the troll. 

Just ignore the guy.

S

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#57749 — Re: Cookie xxxxing problem

On Sunday, October 27, 2013 1:02:38 AM UTC+5:30, Stephan Vladimir Bugaj wrote:
> I rarely ever post here.
> 
> But I wanted to say that people responding to this Nikos troll makes reading 
> this list a nuisance.
> You've never ever been successful in convincing him to behave, and it's been 
> going on for quite a while now.
> I remain subscribed for occasional  interesting new idioms and tips, but 
> always have to sift through this nonsense.
> And all of you who take the bait are as much a part of the problem as the troll. 
> 
> Just ignore the guy.
> 
> S

Thanks for your contribution.
Hope you will stay for more interesting stuff -- like python -- questions or answers is fine.
See… when there's x% good stuff and 100-x% BS, we can all do our little bit to improve the statistics.

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#57660

On 26/10/2013 18:23, Antoon Pardon wrote:
> Op 26-10-13 18:19, Mark Lawrence schreef:
>> On 26/10/2013 17:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:34:23 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Buy a sex manual.
>>>
>>> Mark, please resist the urge to bait Nick with insults. As entertaining
>>> as they may be, they don't actually help reduce the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I promise to stop baiting this complete and utter moron when I observe
>> that nobody on this group says a single word to him as that's the only
>> message that he'll understand.  Any word to him from anybody and I
>> reserve the right to join in.
>
> I fear this strategy is not stable. Just suppose most people follow this
> strategy but someone reacts to Nikos anyhow. Now suddenly a lot of
> people feel they have the right to join in. And of course these
> reactions will feed this feeling.
>
> I understand you feel you don't have to keep silent if others aren't
> but I wish your trigger would be less sensitive.
>

I wish I didn't have a combination of Asperger Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue 
Syndrome and Clinical Depression but sadly I'm stuck with the lot :(

Regardless of what others (rusi?) said earlier I'll keep my sense of 
humour going, it least that helps me to survive :)

-- 
Python is the second best programming language in the world.
But the best has yet to be invented.  Christian Tismer

Mark Lawrence

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#57669

Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

> I wish I didn't have a combination of Asperger Syndrome, Chronic
> Fatigue Syndrome and Clinical Depression but sadly I'm stuck with the
> lot :(

I wish you didn't have those. Please don't saddle this forum with the
result.

-- 
 \          “And if I laugh at any mortal thing, / 'Tis that I may not |
  `\               weep.” —“Lord” George Gordon Noel Byron, _Don Juan_ |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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#57808

Op 26-10-13 23:22, Mark Lawrence schreef:
> On 26/10/2013 18:23, Antoon Pardon wrote:
>> Op 26-10-13 18:19, Mark Lawrence schreef:
>>> On 26/10/2013 17:00, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:34:23 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26/10/2013 14:27, Nick the Gr33k wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy a sex manual.
>>>>
>>>> Mark, please resist the urge to bait Nick with insults. As entertaining
>>>> as they may be, they don't actually help reduce the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I promise to stop baiting this complete and utter moron when I observe
>>> that nobody on this group says a single word to him as that's the only
>>> message that he'll understand.  Any word to him from anybody and I
>>> reserve the right to join in.
>>
>> I fear this strategy is not stable. Just suppose most people follow this
>> strategy but someone reacts to Nikos anyhow. Now suddenly a lot of
>> people feel they have the right to join in. And of course these
>> reactions will feed this feeling.
>>
>> I understand you feel you don't have to keep silent if others aren't
>> but I wish your trigger would be less sensitive.
>>
> 
> I wish I didn't have a combination of Asperger Syndrome, Chronic Fatigue
> Syndrome and Clinical Depression but sadly I'm stuck with the lot :(

I can't help you with your wish. You can help with mine. Do you think
I am unreasonable in what I wish for?

> Regardless of what others (rusi?) said earlier I'll keep my sense of
> humour going, it least that helps me to survive :)

Sure, the question is how you are going to use it. If we all follow
your strategy, sense of humour or not, the net result will be a lot
of people feeling righteous about their contributions to the list all
expecting the others to curb their behaviour first and resulting in
a big mess.

Sure you can say your piece when you notice there is still a substantial
respons to Nikos and that you don't feel the need to keep quiet as long
as that is going on. But if you think that a single word from anyone
to Nikos is enough to make you feel righteous about responding, then
your behaviour becomes part of the problem.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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