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  Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16992@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> - 2013-05-05 12:11 -0500
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Stephan Vladimir Bugaj <sbugaj@pixar.com> - 2013-05-05 10:32 -0700
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Stephan Vladimir Bugaj <sbugaj@pixar.com> - 2013-05-05 10:33 -0700
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 18:34 +0100
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 03:35 +1000
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 10:35 -0700
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-05 19:24 +0100
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 18:52 +0100
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-05 13:58 -0400
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-05 19:13 +0000
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Petite Abeille <petite.abeille@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 23:05 +0200
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-05 17:07 -0400
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-05-05 17:37 -0400
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-05 17:49 -0400
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers William Ray Wing <wrw@mac.com> - 2013-05-07 17:02 -0400
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-05 19:10 +0000
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2013-05-05 20:37 +0000
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@mssgmbh.com> - 2013-05-05 22:09 +0100
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2013-05-05 21:33 +0000
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-05 17:35 -0400
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2013-05-05 21:43 +0000
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 08:24 +1000
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-05-05 14:34 -0700
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers llanitedave <llanitedave@veawb.coop> - 2013-05-05 23:13 -0700
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 07:28 +0100
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-05-06 07:41 -0400
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 17:30 +1000
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-06 12:03 +0000
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 17:04 +0100
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 08:49 +0100
          Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers jmfauth <wxjmfauth@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 06:22 -0700
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 23:32 +1000
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2013-05-07 13:41 -0700
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-05-07 21:14 +0000
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 14:35 +0100
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 15:17 +0100
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-05-08 03:06 +0000
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-05-07 14:40 -0400
            Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Neil Hodgson <nhodgson@iinet.net.au> - 2013-05-08 10:34 +1000
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2013-05-07 18:11 -0700
                Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 03:43 -0700
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-08 02:22 +0100
              Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-05-07 21:23 -0400
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Karim <kliateni@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 09:55 +0200
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 08:58 +0100
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 18:02 +1000
        Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 10:00 +0100
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-05 14:17 -0700
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Ignoramus16992 <ignoramus16992@NOSPAM.16992.invalid> - 2013-05-05 18:05 -0500
    Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Henry Law <news@lawshouse.org> - 2013-05-06 07:07 +0100
      Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers Ignoramus30465 <ignoramus30465@NOSPAM.30465.invalid> - 2013-05-06 20:53 -0500

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#44949

On May 8, 6:11 am, Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kap...@case.edu> wrote:
> On May 7, 2013 5:42 PM, "Neil Hodgson" <nhodg...@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> > jmfauth:
>
> >> 2) More critical, Py 3.3, just becomes non unicode compliant,
> >> (eg European languages or "ascii" typographers !)
> >> ...
>
> >    This is not demonstrating non-compliance. It is comparing performance,
> not compliance.
>
> >    Please show an example where Python 3.3 is not compliant with Unicode.
>
> >    Neil
>
> It's violating page 1+1j of the Unicode spec, where it says precisely how
> long each operation is allowed to take. Only wise people can see that page.

Ha Ha! -- I infer some Harry Potter here!
[Boarding train at platform 7.3 ]

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#44926

On 08/05/2013 01:34, Neil Hodgson wrote:
> jmfauth:
>
>> 2) More critical, Py 3.3, just becomes non unicode compliant,
>> (eg European languages or "ascii" typographers !)
>> ...
>
>     This is not demonstrating non-compliance. It is comparing
> performance, not compliance.
>
>     Please show an example where Python 3.3 is not compliant with Unicode.
>
>     Neil

Surely nobody expects an answer, although I suppose there is always a 
first time for everything.  Once again stealing from Tommy Docherty, 
jmfauth is to Python what King Herod was to baby sitting.

-- 
If you're using GoogleCrap™ please read this 
http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython.

Mark Lawrence

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#44927

On 05/07/2013 09:11 PM, Benjamin Kaplan wrote:
> On May 7, 2013 5:42 PM, "Neil Hodgson" <nhodgson@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> jmfauth:
>>
>>> 2) More critical, Py 3.3, just becomes non unicode compliant,
>>> (eg European languages or "ascii" typographers !)
>>> ...
>>
>>
>>     This is not demonstrating non-compliance. It is comparing performance,
> not compliance.
>>
>>     Please show an example where Python 3.3 is not compliant with Unicode.
>>
>>     Neil
>> --
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
> It's violating page 1+1j of the Unicode spec, where it says precisely how
> long each operation is allowed to take. Only wise people can see that page.
>
>
>
Of course!   It's a complex page.


-- 
DaveA

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#44807

Le 06/05/2013 09:49, Fábio Santos a écrit :
> have asked for a raise back in December, and was told that it wouldn't 
> happen before this year. I have done well. I think I deserve better 
> pay than a supermarket employee now. I am sure that my efforts were 
> appreciated and I will be rewarded. I am being sarc

Austerity for python programmers in Portugal !?

;o)


Karim

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#44808

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On 6 May 2013 08:55, "Karim" <kliateni@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Austerity for python programmers in Portugal !?

Actually, lack of a market. I can't seem to find any other job programming
python. It's all php, VB, c#, and I think there is some COBOL in there too.
But who knows. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

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#44810

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> wrote:
> I may rise the average pay of a Python programmer in Portugal. I have asked
> for a raise back in December, and was told that it wouldn't happen before
> this year. I have done well. I think I deserve better pay than a supermarket
> employee now. I am sure that my efforts were appreciated and I will be
> rewarded. I am being sarcastic.
>
> The above paragraph wouldn't be true if I programmed in perl, c++ or lisp.

I dunno, it depends more on where you work than what you work with.
I'm the top employee at my workplace and use C++, Pike, PHP,
Javascript, and bash, plus ancillaries like SQL... and my salary is
definitely on the low end. Why? Because I work for a startup. No doubt
Google or IBM would pay their top people way more than I'm getting,
but that's not something a little internet startup can afford. So I
bide my time :) Some day we'll be massively profitable... some day.
And if not, hey, I'm making enough to survive.

Of course, there's the whole thing of "how easy would it be to replace
you" too. If the only language you know is PHP, chances are you can be
replaced by any idiot straight out of secondary skool (sorry, that's
school_real_secondary now isn't it), but someone who speaks FORTRAN
and knows the bank's internal systems well enough to maintain them can
ask for whatever salary he likes and still be cheaper than finding a
replacement. But that expert FORTRAN programmer, if he quit his job
and went searching, would quite probably find himself at the lower end
again if he joined a small company.

ChrisA

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#44811

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All good points. I should probably blame the smallness of my company aswell.
On 6 May 2013 09:11, "Chris Angelico" <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I may rise the average pay of a Python programmer in Portugal. I have
> asked
> > for a raise back in December, and was told that it wouldn't happen before
> > this year. I have done well. I think I deserve better pay than a
> supermarket
> > employee now. I am sure that my efforts were appreciated and I will be
> > rewarded. I am being sarcastic.
> >
> > The above paragraph wouldn't be true if I programmed in perl, c++ or
> lisp.
>
> I dunno, it depends more on where you work than what you work with.
> I'm the top employee at my workplace and use C++, Pike, PHP,
> Javascript, and bash, plus ancillaries like SQL... and my salary is
> definitely on the low end. Why? Because I work for a startup. No doubt
> Google or IBM would pay their top people way more than I'm getting,
> but that's not something a little internet startup can afford. So I
> bide my time :) Some day we'll be massively profitable... some day.
> And if not, hey, I'm making enough to survive.
>
> Of course, there's the whole thing of "how easy would it be to replace
> you" too. If the only language you know is PHP, chances are you can be
> replaced by any idiot straight out of secondary skool (sorry, that's
> school_real_secondary now isn't it), but someone who speaks FORTRAN
> and knows the bank's internal systems well enough to maintain them can
> ask for whatever salary he likes and still be cheaper than finding a
> replacement. But that expert FORTRAN programmer, if he quit his job
> and went searching, would quite probably find himself at the lower end
> again if he joined a small company.
>
> ChrisA
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>

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#44777

Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> writes:
> I see "New York" listed as a location for Perl but not for Python.

Whaat?  It's there for Python, though in the #3 position rather than #2.
I must have flipped through the slides too fast.

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#44787

On 2013-05-05, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> writes:
>> I see "New York" listed as a location for Perl but not for Python.
>
> Whaat?  It's there for Python, though in the #3 position rather than #2.
> I must have flipped through the slides too fast.

My website algebra.com is written in perl, it is now #1,198 in the US
rankings, based on Quantcast.  I could not be happier with
maintainability and robustness features of perl. 

i
going undercover for the russian mob next week

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#44801

On 05/05/13 18:11, Ignoramus16992 wrote:
> According to CIO.com

What an amusing thread; lightened my (non-programmer) day.

-- 

Henry Law            Manchester, England

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#44871

On 2013-05-06, Henry Law <news@lawshouse.org> wrote:
> On 05/05/13 18:11, Ignoramus16992 wrote:
>> According to CIO.com
>
> What an amusing thread; lightened my (non-programmer) day.
>

I guess you are from the python newsgroup then. :)

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