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| From | Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.python |
| Subject | Re: Blog "about python 3" |
| Date | 2013-12-31 10:41 -0500 |
| Organization | PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC |
| Message-ID | <roy-4C0A2F.10412731122013@news.panix.com> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <l9soij$ck6$1@ger.gmane.org> <52C1F5EC.3020808@stoneleaf.us> <mailman.4748.1388478161.18130.python-list@python.org> <52c29416$0$29987$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <mailman.4753.1388499265.18130.python-list@python.org> |
In article <mailman.4753.1388499265.18130.python-list@python.org>, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis@pitrou.net> wrote: > Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python <at> pearwood.info> writes: > > > > I expect that as excuses for not migrating get fewer, and the deadline for > > Python 2.7 end-of-life starts to loom closer, more and more haters^W > > Concerned People will whine about the lack of version 2.8 and ask for > > *somebody else* to fork Python. > > > > I find it, hmmm, interesting, that so many of these Concerned People who say > > that they're worried about splitting the Python community[1] end up > > suggesting that we *split the community* into those who have moved forward > > to Python 3 and those who won't. > > Indeed. This would be extremely destructive (not to mention alienating the > people doing *actual* maintenance and enhancements on Python-and-its-stdlib, > of which at least 95% are committed to the original plan for 3.x to slowly > supercede 2.x). > > Regards > > Antoine. I'm using 2.7 in production. I realize that at some point we'll need to upgrade to 3.x. We'll keep putting that off as long as the "effort + dependencies + risk" metric exceeds the "perceived added value" metric. I can't imagine the migration will happen in 2014. Maybe not even in 2015. Beyond that, my crystal ball only shows darkness. But, in any case, going with a fork of 2.x has zero appeal. Given the choice between effort + risk to move forward vs. effort + risk to move sideways, I'll move forward every time. To be honest, the "perceived added value" in 3.x is pretty low for us. What we're running now works. Switching to 3.x isn't going to increase our monthly average users, or our retention rate, or decrease our COGS, or increase our revenue. There's no killer features we need. In summary, the decision to migrate will be driven more by risk aversion, when the risk of staying on an obsolete, unsupported platform, exceeds the risk of moving to a new one. Or, there will be some third-party module that we must have which is no longer supported on 2.x. If I were starting a new project today, I would probably start it in 3.x.
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Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-30 19:41 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-30 20:49 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-30 21:29 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-30 14:38 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 12:09 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-31 04:38 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 15:44 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-30 20:33 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-31 04:59 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-31 08:22 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-31 20:53 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Antoine Pitrou <solipsis@pitrou.net> - 2013-12-31 14:13 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-31 10:41 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 02:54 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-31 15:55 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-02 17:36 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-03 15:49 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-03 04:01 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-03 02:10 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-03 21:24 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-01-03 08:56 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-03 12:28 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-03 09:57 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 02:32 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-03 17:00 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-04 04:04 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-04 08:55 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 01:17 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-04 11:10 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-04 17:46 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 06:23 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-01-05 10:20 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-05 17:14 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-07 05:34 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-07 09:54 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-01-08 09:38 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-07 19:02 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-08 01:59 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-08 14:26 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-08 20:04 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-05 17:48 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 10:28 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-01-04 12:51 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-05 13:27 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 13:32 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-01-05 02:41 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-04 22:20 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 10:12 +0530
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-05 00:11 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-05 17:28 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-05 14:05 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:01 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-05 11:34 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 03:51 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-05 12:09 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-06 11:42 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-05 17:56 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 10:59 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-06 12:23 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 12:54 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-06 05:53 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 00:00 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-05 23:28 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 23:48 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-05 11:10 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-05 13:51 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" David Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 13:25 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-02 13:37 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Antoine Pitrou <solipsis@pitrou.net> - 2014-01-02 23:57 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-03 10:32 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-03 11:14 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-04 05:52 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-05 13:41 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 13:54 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 02:39 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-03 11:37 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-04 07:30 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-01-05 13:14 +0100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2014-01-05 14:55 +0100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-05 13:10 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-31 20:04 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 20:25 -0800
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