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| Date | 2014-01-04 11:10 -0800 |
| References | (11 earlier) <52C6AD00.5050000@chamonix.reportlab.co.uk> <la7btn$u5$1@ger.gmane.org> <mailman.4882.1388808283.18130.python-list@python.org> <roy-1820F1.08551004012014@news.panix.com> <mailman.4905.1388845063.18130.python-list@python.org> |
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| Subject | Re: Blog "about python 3" |
| From | wxjmfauth@gmail.com |
Le samedi 4 janvier 2014 15:17:40 UTC+1, Chris Angelico a écrit : > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote: > > > In article <mailman.4882.1388808283.18130.python-list@python.org>, > > > Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > >> Surely everybody prefers fast but incorrect code in > > >> preference to something that is correct but slow? > > > > > > I realize I'm taking this statement out of context, but yes, sometimes > > > fast is more important than correct. Sometimes the other way around. > > > > More usually, it's sometimes better to be really fast and mostly > > correct than really really slow and entirely correct. That's why we > > use IEEE floating point instead of Decimal most of the time. Though > > I'm glad that Python 3 now deems the default int type to be capable of > > representing arbitrary integers (instead of dropping out to a separate > > long type as Py2 did), I think it's possibly worth optimizing small > > integers to machine words - but mainly, the int type focuses on > > correctness above performance, because the cost is low compared to the > > benefit. With float, the cost of arbitrary precision is extremely > > high, and the benefit much lower. > > > > With Unicode, the cost of perfect support is normally seen to be a > > doubling of internal memory usage (UTF-16 vs UCS-4). Pike and Python > > decided that the cost could, instead, be a tiny measure of complexity > > and actually *less* memory usage (compared to UTF-16, when lots of > > identifiers are ASCII). It's a system that works only when strings are > > immutable, but works beautifully there. Fortunately Pike doesn't have > > any, and Python has only one, idiot like jmf who completely > > misunderstands what's going on and uses microbenchmarks to prove > > obscure points... and then uses nonsense to try to prove... uhh... > > actually I'm not even sure what, sometimes. I wouldn't dare try to > > read his posts except that my mind's already in a rather broken state, > > as a combination of programming and Alice in Wonderland. > I do not mind to be considered as an idiot, but I'm definitively not blind. And I could add, I *never* saw once one soul, who is explaining what I'm doing wrong in the gazillion of examples I gave on this list. --- Back to ReportLab. Technically I would be really interested to see what could happen at the light of my previous post. jmf
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Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-30 19:41 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-30 20:49 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-30 21:29 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-30 14:38 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 12:09 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-31 04:38 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-31 15:44 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-30 20:33 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-31 04:59 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-31 08:22 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-31 20:53 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Antoine Pitrou <solipsis@pitrou.net> - 2013-12-31 14:13 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-31 10:41 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-01 02:54 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-31 15:55 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-02 17:36 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-03 15:49 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-03 04:01 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-03 02:10 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-03 21:24 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-01-03 08:56 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-03 12:28 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-03 09:57 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-04 02:32 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-03 17:00 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-04 04:04 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-04 08:55 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 01:17 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-04 11:10 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-04 17:46 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 06:23 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-01-05 10:20 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-05 17:14 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-07 05:34 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-07 09:54 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2014-01-08 09:38 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-07 19:02 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-08 01:59 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-08 14:26 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-08 20:04 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-05 17:48 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 10:28 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-01-04 12:51 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-05 13:27 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 13:32 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-01-05 02:41 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-04 22:20 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 10:12 +0530
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-05 00:11 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-05 17:28 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-05 14:05 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 15:01 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-05 11:34 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 03:51 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-05 12:09 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-06 11:42 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-05 17:56 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 10:59 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-06 12:23 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-06 12:54 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-06 05:53 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 00:00 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-05 23:28 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 23:48 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-05 11:10 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-05 13:51 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" David Hutto <dwightdhutto@gmail.com> - 2014-01-02 13:25 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-02 13:37 -0500
Re: Blog "about python 3" Antoine Pitrou <solipsis@pitrou.net> - 2014-01-02 23:57 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-03 10:32 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-03 11:14 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-04 05:52 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-05 13:41 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 13:54 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2014-01-05 02:39 -0800
Re: Blog "about python 3" Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2014-01-03 11:37 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-04 07:30 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2014-01-05 13:14 +0100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2014-01-05 14:55 +0100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-05 13:10 +0000
Re: Blog "about python 3" Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-31 20:04 +1100
Re: Blog "about python 3" Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2013-12-30 20:25 -0800
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