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Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries

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"Ian Kelly" <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Frank Millman <frank@chagford.com> wrote:
>>
>> It appears that when you use 'setdefault', the default is always 
>> evaluated,
>> even if the key exists.
>>
>> It seems odd. Is there a situation where this behaviour is useful?
>
> No.  The default argument is evaluated because it must be evaluated
> before it can be passed into the method, just like any other function
> argument in Python.  So why doesn't it take a callable instead of a
> value for its second argument?  At a guess, because the method was
> probably added for efficiency, and the function call overhead might
> easily be slower than just doing a separate getitem and setitem.
>
> The reason setdefault exists I think is primarily because it was added
> before defaultdict.  The contributors at SO can't seem to come up with
> any particularly good use cases either:
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3483520/use-cases-for-the-setdefault-dict-method
>
> One thing I will note as a disadvantage of defaultdict is that
> sometimes you only want the default value behavior while you're
> initially building the dict, and then you just want a normal dict with
> KeyErrors from then on.  defaultdict doesn't do that; once
> constructed, it will always be a defaultdict.  You can copy the data
> into a normal dict using the dict() constructor, but this feels dirty
> to me.

Here is an idea, inspired by Peter Otten's suggestion earlier in this 
thread.

Instead of defaultdict, subclass dict and use __missing__() to supply the 
default values.

When the dictionary is set up, delete __missing__ from the subclass!

Ugly, but it seems to work.

Frank

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Keeping track of things with dictionaries Giuliano Bertoletti <gbe32241@libero.it> - 2014-04-06 09:44 +0200
  Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2014-04-06 10:23 +0200
  Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Josh English <Joshua.R.English@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 21:02 -0700
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 14:08 +1000
      Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Josh English <Joshua.R.English@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 23:22 -0700
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-04-08 09:14 +0200
      Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2014-04-08 07:47 +0000
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 01:53 -0600
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 18:00 +1000
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2014-04-08 10:21 +0200
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-04-08 10:26 +0200
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-04-08 10:31 +0200
      Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 12:34 +1000
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 18:35 +1000
      Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2014-04-09 12:43 +1200
        Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 12:33 +1000
          Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 12:45 +1000
            Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 21:19 -0600
            Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2014-04-08 23:31 -0400
            Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 21:37 -0600
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-04-08 11:28 +0200
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 19:34 +1000
    Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2014-04-08 11:41 +0200
  Re: Keeping track of things with dictionaries Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2014-04-09 05:51 -0400

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