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On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 00:09:18 +1100
Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote:

 
> I don't believe that the Python mailing list archives are hosted in a
> country under the jurisdiction of European Law. If I'm right, then
> removing posts sets a dangerous precedent of obeying laws in foreign
> countries that don't apply.

For better or worse, that's not how defamation law works. Generally,
the defaming is regarded as happening where the material is read, i.e.
at the point of download. The location of upload, hosting etc is
irrelevant, although the uploader and the host can both be liable
along with the author. Of course, the point is moot if none of those
people has assets in that jurisdiction. 

For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_Jones_%26_Co_Inc_v_Gutnick

On the specific point, I think it's possible to agree with both
Steven and Laura. It's a bad idea to obey laws that don't apply to
you if you'd rather not. It's also a good idea if possible to remove
defamatory material, not because it might be illegal, but because it's
defamatory. 

Regards

John

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Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-19 18:28 +0200
  Re: Defamation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-10-21 00:09 +1100
    Re: Defamation Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de> - 2015-10-20 15:46 +0200
    Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-20 16:44 +0200
      Re: Defamation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-10-21 10:30 +1100
        Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-21 08:53 +0200
        Re: Defamation Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-10-21 04:01 -0400
        Re: Defamation Ralf Hildebrandt <Ralf.Hildebrandt@charite.de> - 2015-10-21 11:52 +0200
    Re: Defamation "John O'Hagan" <mail@johnohagan.com> - 2015-10-22 11:45 +1100
      Re: Defamation Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-10-23 02:17 +1100
    Re: Defamation Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 19:05 +1100
    Re: Defamation "John O'Hagan" <mail@johnohagan.com> - 2015-10-22 21:10 +1100
    Re: Defamation Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 11:33 +0100
    Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-22 13:19 +0200
    Re: Defamation Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> - 2015-10-22 13:36 +0200
    Re: Defamation Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 12:59 +0100
    Re: Defamation "John O'Hagan" <mail@johnohagan.com> - 2015-10-23 10:03 +1100
    Re: Defamation John O'Hagan <research@johnohagan.com> - 2015-10-23 09:59 +1100

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