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Re: running python 2 vs 3

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On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> The rule of three applies here: anything you do in three different places
> ought to be managed by a function. Printing a newline at the end of a
> line of output is *incredibly* common. Any language which fails to
> provide a print-with-newline function is, frankly, sub-standard.

I wouldn't go that far. There are plenty of languages where the
default (printf, write, werror, etc) doesn't add the newline, and I
wouldn't call the *language* sub-standard for that. But yes, it does
bug me now and then. I use my "say" function to produce one or more
lines of output in Gypsum, and it guarantees complete lines (because
the system works with lines, not streams of characters); and then if I
use the "werror" function to write to stderr, I have to remember to
add the newline. However, I think Py2's print statement has way too
many weirdnesses - the trailing comma (reminiscent of BASIC, where I
never liked it either), the whole "soft space" concept, etc. Py3's
print function, with the keyword end="", is a lot better, though still
a tad verbose. (I don't know of any solution to that.)

ChrisA

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