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Re: Beginner Tutorials

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Who thought that not setting the “Reply replies to the ML” option was
a good idea?

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From: Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner Tutorials
To: kwpolska@gmail.com

On Friday, January 18, 2013 7:20:13 PM UTC, Kwpolska wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Rik <rik.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The reason for disabling right-click has nothing to do with protecting content, and everything to do with stopping my students from taking the lazy way out.
>
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=don%27t+disable+right+click
>
> > Given the chance, they'll copy/paste the code and download the designs and edit them slightly. They'd get through the tutorials in about 25 minutes and have learnt next to nothing.
>
> Ways to overcome it:
> (a) curl/python -c 'import requests; requests.get('/wget
> http://usingpython.com/; (a nice textarea with the code
> (b) browser development tools, view source keyboard shortcuts etc.;
> (c) OCR;
> (d) disabling JavaScript;
> (e) writing it by hand, because it is relatively short.
>
> > In talking to students about existing resources, they said that blindly copying code didn't really help them get a deep understanding of algorithms and how to apply them to other problems.
>
> Can’t you fail them (or whatnot) if they don’t learn that?  That
> sounds like the best solution to such problems.


Yeah I could, and maybe for larger problems i'll maybe not block the
code, I just find that students copy/paste the examples and *think*
they understand what's going on, and then aren't able to be
independent in solving similar problems. This way they are sort of
'forced' to actually understand the examples to a level that i'm happy
will hep them solve other problems. It's my job to guide their
learning in that way.
>
>
>
>
> > In the password-protected solutions i will provide downloads to source code, etc, and any student smart enough to get around my protection probably understands python basics :)
>
> WordPress ≠ Python, unless your password is a code used to generate
> the 01189998819991197253 number out of prime factorization or
> something like that.


Now that'd make a nice problem :)
>
>
> > Thanks for the comments.
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Beginner Tutorials Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 06:47 -0800
  Re: Beginner Tutorials marco.kretz@jobmensa.de - 2013-01-18 07:53 -0800
  Re: Beginner Tutorials Virgil Stokes <vs@it.uu.se> - 2013-01-18 16:52 +0100
    Re: Beginner Tutorials Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 08:55 -0800
    Re: Beginner Tutorials Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 08:55 -0800
  Re: Beginner Tutorials Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 11:35 -0500
    Re: Beginner Tutorials Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 09:04 -0800
      Re: Beginner Tutorials Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 12:34 -0500
      Re: Beginner Tutorials Ritchie Flick <xenplex@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 18:44 +0100
      Re: Beginner Tutorials rh <richard_hubbe11@lavabit.com> - 2013-01-18 11:14 -0800
      Re: Beginner Tutorials Kwpolska <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 20:20 +0100
        Re: Beginner Tutorials Kwpolska <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-01-19 12:46 +0100
      Re: Beginner Tutorials Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 17:25 -0800
        Re: Beginner Tutorials Evan Driscoll <driscoll@cs.wisc.edu> - 2013-01-18 22:36 -0600
          Re: Beginner Tutorials Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 22:22 -0800
          Re: Beginner Tutorials Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 22:22 -0800
      Re: Beginner Tutorials Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 17:25 -0800
    Re: Beginner Tutorials Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 09:04 -0800
  Re: Beginner Tutorials Ian Foote <ian@feete.org> - 2013-01-18 16:35 +0000
  Re: Beginner Tutorials Ian Foote <ian@feete.org> - 2013-01-18 16:44 +0000
    Re: Beginner Tutorials Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 09:16 -0800
    Re: Beginner Tutorials Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com> - 2013-01-18 09:16 -0800

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