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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:46:06 +0100
Subject: Re: Beginner Tutorials
From: Kwpolska <kwpolska@gmail.com>
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Who thought that not setting the=C2=A0=E2=80=9CReply replies to the ML=E2=
=80=9D option was
a good idea?

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From: Rik <rik.j.cross@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner Tutorials
To: kwpolska@gmail.com

On Friday, January 18, 2013 7:20:13 PM UTC, Kwpolska wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Rik <rik.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The reason for disabling right-click has nothing to do with protecting =
content, and everything to do with stopping my students from taking the laz=
y way out.
>
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3Ddon%27t+disable+right+click
>
> > Given the chance, they'll copy/paste the code and download the designs =
and edit them slightly. They'd get through the tutorials in about 25 minute=
s and have learnt next to nothing.
>
> Ways to overcome it:
> (a) curl/python -c 'import requests; requests.get('/wget
> http://usingpython.com/; (a nice textarea with the code
> (b) browser development tools, view source keyboard shortcuts etc.;
> (c) OCR;
> (d) disabling JavaScript;
> (e) writing it by hand, because it is relatively short.
>
> > In talking to students about existing resources, they said that blindly=
 copying code didn't really help them get a deep understanding of algorithm=
s and how to apply them to other problems.
>
> Can=E2=80=99t you fail them (or whatnot) if they don=E2=80=99t learn that=
?  That
> sounds like the best solution to such problems.


Yeah I could, and maybe for larger problems i'll maybe not block the
code, I just find that students copy/paste the examples and *think*
they understand what's going on, and then aren't able to be
independent in solving similar problems. This way they are sort of
'forced' to actually understand the examples to a level that i'm happy
will hep them solve other problems. It's my job to guide their
learning in that way.
>
>
>
>
> > In the password-protected solutions i will provide downloads to source =
code, etc, and any student smart enough to get around my protection probabl=
y understands python basics :)
>
> WordPress =E2=89=A0 Python, unless your password is a code used to genera=
te
> the 01189998819991197253 number out of prime factorization or
> something like that.


Now that'd make a nice problem :)
>
>
> > Thanks for the comments.
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