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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 23:51:44 +0530
Subject: Re: JUST GOT HACKED
From: Ravi Sahni <ganeshsahni07@gmail.com>
To: rurpy@yahoo.com
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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:14 PM,  <rurpy@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 10/02/2013 01:02 AM, Ravi Sahni wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au>=
 wrote:
>>> Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> writes:
>>>
>>>> Op 02-10-13 00:06, Ben Finney schreef:
>>>> > This is an unmoderated forum, so we have occasional spates of
>>>> > persistent nuisances, and those who respond with the maturity level
>>>> > and impulse control of an average six-year-old.
>>> [=85]
>>>>
>>>> And what about the impuls control and the maturity of people who can't
>>>> stop answering [a nuisance], knowing they contribute to the nuisance
>>>> to the group?
>>>
>>> Yes, we are in firm agreement here.
>>
>> So Ben,Antoon you are saying that Nikos is a minor problem -- spam-like =
--
>> Whereas people answering him are a bigger problem??!
>>
>> I find this real confused!! Why they are answering then?!?!
>> As far as I can make out everyone who is answering (helping!) doing it
>> frustratation and disgust.  But still they keep answering and
>> answering!!
>>
>> Makes no sense
>>
>> [Sorry -- old programmer (C,C++ etc) -- new to python. If there is
>> some secret to this list's culture that I missed will be pleased to be
>> educated!]
>
> Actually it does make sense when one thinks of the psychology.
> It is fun to bash other people on the internet.  There are few
> consequences and it makes up for the lack of authority and
> control we experience in our real daily lives.
>
> When someone like Nikos appears and irritates enough people
> to exceed a critical mass, it becomes socially ok to bash
> him and one gets a _Lord of the Flies_ [*1] effect.
>
> Further it is nothing new -- this kind of spiral down
> into chaos and noise of an unmoderated online community
> has been happening since the earliest days of the internet.
>
> For decades a useful way to combat this has been summarized
> in the phase "don't feed the trolls".  But that only works
> when people are able sacrifice their own fun (giving up the
> joy of joining in publicly bashing a scapegoat by simply not
> responding to inflammatory posts) for a common good (a mailing
> list with a good signal-to-noise ratio and non-hostile atmosphere.)
>
> It would seem that enough Python regulars here get enjoyment
> from the current state of affairs that the situation is likely
> to last indefinitely.
>
> The rest of us try to make do by using restraint, filtering and
> alternate forums (Stackoverflow, etc).
>
> ----
> [*1] http://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/l/lord-of-the-flies/lord-of-th=
e-flies-at-a-glance

That (link) is an ugly stupid view of humanness.
Why should I want to piss on you and flame you and shoot you for fun?
I have never met anyone like that and dont believe that anyone is like that=
.
[We are told about Hitler and Stalin and so on. I have never met them :-) ]
And if you believe everyone is like that -- sorry - please go to
psychatrist -- serious!

Basically I am a software engineer. A engineer believes in right design.
Mess happens with wrong design. Something is making ppl behave crazy.
What is it?  If we are engineers we should do analysis.

No I dont think it is Nikos. I think it is ppl answering nonsense
questions and shouting and keep on answering nonsense with more
nonsense and keep on shouting. Why this crazy behavior?? So far Anton
has given me the best explanaton

--=20
Ravi