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Date Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:42:26 +0000
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On 30/01/2014 14:46, Thibault Langlois wrote:
> On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:08:58 PM UTC, Roy Smith wrote:
>> In article <3dcdc95d-5e30-46d3-b558-afedf9723c7c@googlegroups.com>,
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>>   Thibault Langlois <thibault.langlois@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> You are right. I should have given some context.
>>
>>> I am looking at this from the perspective of the teacher that has to explain
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>>> idiosyncrasies of the language to inexperienced students.
>>
>>> There are two aspects in this example.
>>
>>> 1. the equivalence of True/False with integers 1/0 which have pro and cons.
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>>> 2. the chaining rules of operators. I agree that it may make sense in some
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>>> cases like x > y > z but when operators are mixed it leads to counter
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>>> intuitive cases as the one I pointed out.
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>>>
>>
>>> The recommendations to student are 1) do not assume True == 1 and do not use
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>>> operator chaining.
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>>
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>> Better than that, do what I do.
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>>
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>> 1) Assume that you don't have the full operator precedence table
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>> memorized and just parenthesize everything.
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>>
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>> 2) In cases where the expression is so simple, you couldn't possibly be
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>> wrong, see rule #1.
>
> Agreed !
>

Pleased to see that as always plenty of helpful responses here.  In 
return would you please read and action this 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython to prevent us seeing the 
double line spacing above, thanks.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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1 > 0 == True -> False Thibault Langlois <thibault.langlois@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 03:36 -0800
  Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Thomas Mlynarczyk <thomas@mlynarczyk-webdesign.de> - 2014-01-30 12:44 +0100
  Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2014-01-30 13:46 +0200
    Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2014-01-30 13:04 +0100
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2014-01-30 14:08 +0200
  Re:1 > 0 == True -> False Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-01-30 07:49 -0500
    Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Thibault Langlois <thibault.langlois@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 05:40 -0800
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 00:55 +1100
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-30 09:08 -0500
        Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 01:18 +1100
          Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-30 09:49 -0500
            Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 02:02 +1100
        Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 06:41 -0800
        Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Thibault Langlois <thibault.langlois@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 06:46 -0800
          Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-30 17:42 +0000
        Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2014-01-30 16:56 +0200
          Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-30 10:46 -0800
            Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Jussi Piitulainen <jpiitula@ling.helsinki.fi> - 2014-01-30 22:14 +0200
              Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 07:25 +1100
        Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-30 15:09 +0000
          Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 07:34 -0800
          Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-30 10:53 -0800
            Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 19:33 -0800
          Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-30 10:56 -0800
            Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 06:03 +1100
              Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-30 14:09 -0800
                Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 09:29 +1100
            Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2014-01-30 11:22 -0800
            Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 06:48 +1100
    Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2014-01-30 19:25 +0000
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2014-01-30 15:08 -0500
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 07:15 +1100
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 13:28 -0700
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 07:38 +1100
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2014-01-30 14:17 -0700
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 08:31 +1100
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-01-30 23:36 +0000
        Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2014-01-31 00:10 +0000
          Removal of iterable unpacking in function calls (was: 1 > 0 == True -> False) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-31 11:21 +1100
            Re: Removal of iterable unpacking in function calls Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2014-01-31 00:32 +0000
          Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Joshua Landau <joshua@landau.ws> - 2014-01-31 00:32 +0000
      Re: 1 > 0 == True -> False Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-31 11:01 +1100

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