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Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism

From Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu>
Subject Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism
Date 2014-01-22 13:34 +0000
Organization Norwich University
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On 2014-01-22, Steven D'Aprano
<steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> wrote:
> Do you notice the assumption made? Let me highlight it for you:
>
>    THE WORDS OF OTHERS
>
> The hidden assumption here is that *words are property*, that
> they belong to whomever first publishes them. Having now
> written those few words, nobody else is permitted to use those
> same words in the same order without crediting me. Failure to
> credit me is a sin of the highest order, enough to get you
> kicked out of your university, your name blackened. Unless, of
> course, somebody else wrote those words before me, in which
> case *my ignorance* of that earlier usage does not diminish the
> magnitude of my sin. In that regard, plagiarism is rather like
> patent infringement.

>From The Cemetery Gates, The Smiths:

  You say, "Ere thrice the sun done salutation to to the dawn,"
  and you claim these words as your own. But I've read well and
  I've heard them said one hundred times maybe less maybe more.
  [...]
  You say, "Ere long done do does did;" words which could only be
  your own, and then produce a text from whence it was ripped [...]

When grading essays my wife is far more likely to detect the
first case.

> We do not know how strict the OP's college is about so-called
> plagiarism, whether they only intend to come down on outright
> copying of significant bodies of code, or whether they have a
> tendency to go after trivial borrowing of simple idioms or
> minor duplication of insignificant portions of the program. (If
> I walk a linked list using mynode = mynode.next, and you use
> the same variable names, is that an indication of copying?)
> Without knowing what the OP's college considers plagiarism, how
> can judge the OP's reaction to it?

Obvious copying of another person's program, nearly verbatim, is
most likely to be detected. Well, that and submitting one of the
entrapment-purposed answers that are sometimes made availalbe
here and elsewhere. 

-- 
Neil Cerutti

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Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 14:21 -0800
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-18 17:27 -0500
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 14:32 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-18 17:35 -0500
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 09:42 +1100
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-19 09:59 +1100
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-19 06:31 +0000
      Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 22:45 -0800
      Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Dan Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 21:21 -0800
      Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 17:21 +1100
        Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-20 09:08 -0500
          Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 08:11 -0800
          Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-20 16:56 -0500
          Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-21 00:47 +0000
            Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 10:32 +0000
              Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2014-01-21 13:49 +0000
      Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-20 18:39 +1100
        Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-19 23:55 -0800
          Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-20 19:17 +1100
            Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-22 00:51 +0000
              Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 19:01 -0800
                Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-21 22:46 -0500
          Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 19:48 +1100
          Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism bryan rasmussen <rasmussen.bryan@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 10:19 +0100
          Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2014-01-20 09:36 +0000
          Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-22 00:01 +0000
        Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-22 00:51 +0000
          Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2014-01-22 13:34 +0000
      Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 18:59 +1100
      Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-20 19:10 +1100
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-19 09:57 +1100
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-19 16:22 +0000
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 00:36 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-22 08:53 -0500
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 08:48 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-23 00:01 +0000
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 00:39 -0800
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 08:33 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-22 22:36 -0500
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 08:46 -0800
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 08:50 -0800
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 08:53 -0800
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 09:09 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2014-01-22 14:19 -0500
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 23:46 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-23 20:26 -0500
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 23:57 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Asaf Las <roegltd@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 01:46 -0800
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 02:10 -0800
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 13:15 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2014-01-23 13:28 -0800
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 13:34 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2014-01-23 13:49 -0800
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 13:56 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2014-01-24 15:13 +0100
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 19:15 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 21:57 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-24 08:13 +0000
  Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism indar kumar <indarkumar59@gmail.com> - 2014-01-23 23:14 -0800
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-24 09:01 -0500
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism bob gailer <bgailer@gmail.com> - 2014-01-24 18:42 -0500
    Re: Can post a code but afraid of plagiarism Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-24 19:42 -0500

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