Re: Python 3.x adoption

Subject	Re: Python 3.x adoption
From	Travis Griggs <travisgriggs@gmail.com>
Date	2014-01-21 11:04 -0800
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Looks like the 2/3 topic has lain fallow for a couple of days, gotta keep it burning…

I’m a relatively recent python convert, but been coding and talking to others about coding for many moons on this big blue orb. I think the industrial side of this debate has been talked up quite a bit. We have tools, we have the wall of shame/superpowers for libraries and projects.

I think the desires of the core of people moving python forward are pretty clear to those of us that plug in. Move to 3. Period. We can debate, hate it, go on all day, but they’ve been pretty steady.

I’ve had a bunch of interns around me lately though, wanting to get into python, and this is where I find the momentum really breaks down. If newcomers go to take an online course in python, they might try MIT’s Open Courseware (who doesn’t want to learn from the illustrious MIT after all?). They’ll be taught Python 2, not 3. Or they might try Code Academy. Again, they’ll be taught 2, not 3. If the newbie googles “python reference”… top link will be python 2.

So in my mind, the wall of superpowers/shame is no longer well aligned with where the real battlefront of adoption is at. The legacy of the internet caches and education sites are. Personally, I have no idea why an education site would favor a version that sooner or later they’re going to have to try and explain how super() works.

The other area, I think, that puts a dent in perceived adoption is in alternate interpreters. Back in the day, everyone was making some branch of python (e.g. IronPython, Jython, Cython, PyPy, Stackless, etc). All of them did python 2. Very few are doing python 3. Some have been abandoned (as is the nature of research endeavors like these were), but there doesn’t seem to be the broad swath of people still building alternate python expressions, especially in python 3. Being a fan of JIT, I have big hopes for PyPy, I can’t figure out why they aren’t pitching their “cutting edge” interpreter, for the “cutting edge” version of python. There should be a wall of superpowers/shame for interpreters.

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Python 3.x adoption Staszek <noreply@eisenbits.com> - 2014-01-14 20:33 +0100
  Re: Python 3.x adoption Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-01-14 13:38 -0600
    Re: Python 3.x adoption beliavsky@aol.com - 2014-01-17 14:16 -0800
      Re: Python 3.x adoption Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-17 22:51 +0000
      Re: Python 3.x adoption Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-17 18:03 -0500
        Re: Python 3.x adoption beliavsky@aol.com - 2014-01-18 05:27 -0800
          Re: Python 3.x adoption Travis Griggs <travisgriggs@gmail.com> - 2014-01-21 11:04 -0800
          Re: Python 3.x adoption Chris Kaynor <ckaynor@zindagigames.com> - 2014-01-21 11:15 -0800
          Re: Python 3.x adoption Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-22 06:25 +1100
      Re: Python 3.x adoption MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-01-17 23:12 +0000
      Re: Python 3.x adoption Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-18 10:17 +1100
      Re: Python 3.x adoption Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2014-01-17 20:01 -0500
      Re: Python 3.x adoption Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-18 12:18 +1100
      Re: Python 3.x adoption Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-18 12:27 +1100
  Re: Python 3.x adoption Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 06:44 +1100
  Re: Python 3.x adoption Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-01-15 02:55 +0000
    Re: Python 3.x adoption MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2014-01-15 03:30 +0000
  Re: Python 3.x adoption Travis Griggs <travisgriggs@gmail.com> - 2014-01-15 07:43 -0800
    Re: Python 3.x adoption Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2014-01-16 13:57 +0100
  Re: Python 3.x adoption Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-16 03:14 +1100
  Re: Python 3.x adoption Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-15 16:46 +0000
  Re: Python 3.x adoption Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-01-16 04:08 +1100
  Re: Python 3.x adoption Christopher Welborn <cjwelborn@live.com> - 2014-01-15 11:37 -0600
  Re: Python 3.x adoption Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-17 15:27 +0000
    Re: Python 3.x adoption Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2014-01-17 10:15 -0600
      Re: Python 3.x adoption Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-01-17 20:02 +0000
        Re: Python 3.x adoption Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-17 21:49 -0500
    Re: Python 3.x adoption Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-01-17 16:21 +0000
    Re: Python 3.x adoption Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2014-01-17 17:10 -0500

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