Re: pylint woes

From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: pylint woes
Date	2016-05-09 08:10 +1000
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On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 May 2016 23:01:55 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> ... I like to recommend a little thing called "IIDPIO debugging" - If
>> In Doubt, Print It Out.  That means: If you have no idea what a piece
>> of code is doing, slap in a print() call somewhere. It'll tell you
>> that (a) the code is actually being executed, and (b) whatever info
>> you put between the parens (ideally, some key variable or
>> parameter). Part A is often the important bit :) ...
>
> Having spent a long time developing embedded systems, I wholeheartedly
> agree.  In spirit.  Isn't that what the logging module is for?  Fine
> grained control, as centralized or distributed as is warranted, over
> program output?
>
>> ... The trouble with a verbose flag controlling all print() calls is
>> that IIDPIO debugging suddenly doesn't work; plus, it's easy to copy
>> and paste code to some other module and not notice that you don't have
>> a verbosity check at the top, and then wonder why disabling verbose
>> doesn't fully work. Both problems are solved by having a dedicated
>> spam function, which will simply error out if you didn't set it up
>> properly.
>
> Hey!  That sounds just like the logging module....  ;-)

Absolutely. I say "print" in IIDPIO because it's a word that people
understand across languages, across frameworks, etc, etc, but when you
start doing more of it, the logging module is definitely superior - if
you need just one reason to use it, it would be to *leave those prints
in place* so the next person doesn't need to reach for IIDPIO at all.

(Also, I teach print() because it's one less module to explain. But
experienced programmers should get some familiarity with it.)

ChrisA

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pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-07 12:51 -0400
  Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 03:01 +1000
    Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-07 21:16 -0400
      Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 11:36 +1000
        Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-07 22:15 -0400
          Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 12:50 +1000
            Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-10 18:36 -0400
              Re: pylint woes MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2016-05-11 02:02 +0100
      Re: pylint woes Stephen Hansen <me+python@ixokai.io> - 2016-05-07 19:14 -0700
        Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-07 23:04 -0400
          Re: pylint woes Stephen Hansen <me+python@ixokai.io> - 2016-05-07 20:46 -0700
            Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 10:26 -0400
          Re: pylint woes Jussi Piitulainen <jussi.piitulainen@helsinki.fi> - 2016-05-08 08:50 +0300
            Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 10:25 -0400
              Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 00:36 +1000
                Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 11:06 -0400
                Re: pylint woes Stephen Hansen <me+python@ixokai.io> - 2016-05-08 08:15 -0700
                Re: pylint woes Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2016-05-09 13:17 +1200
                Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 12:18 +1000
                Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 22:58 -0400
                Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 01:15 +1000
                Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 17:06 -0400
              Re: pylint woes Stephen Hansen <me+python@ixokai.io> - 2016-05-08 08:11 -0700
              Re: pylint woes Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-05-09 01:51 +1000
                Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 17:04 -0400
                Re: pylint woes Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-05-09 13:09 +1000
      Re: pylint woes MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2016-05-08 03:21 +0100
      Re: pylint woes Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-05-08 21:36 +1000
        Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 17:24 -0400
          Re: pylint woes Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 17:39 -0400
          Re: pylint woes Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-05-09 13:46 +1000
  Re: pylint woes Michael Selik <michael.selik@gmail.com> - 2016-05-07 18:42 +0000
  Re: pylint woes Peter Pearson <pkpearson@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-05-07 18:43 +0000
    Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 17:05 -0400
  Re: pylint woes Christopher Reimer <christopher_reimer@icloud.com> - 2016-05-07 11:52 -0700
    Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-07 23:38 -0400
      Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 13:56 +1000
      Re: pylint woes Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2016-05-08 16:19 +0200
  Re: pylint woes Stephen Hansen <me+python@ixokai.io> - 2016-05-07 12:21 -0700
  Re: pylint woes Stephen Hansen <me@ixokai.io> - 2016-05-07 12:23 -0700
  Re: pylint woes Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-05-07 15:40 -0400
    Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-07 23:28 -0400
      Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 13:51 +1000
        Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 00:40 -0400
          Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 14:55 +1000
      Re: pylint woes Stephen Hansen <me+python@ixokai.io> - 2016-05-07 20:55 -0700
      Re: pylint woes Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-05-07 23:09 -0600
      Re: pylint woes Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2016-05-08 16:12 +0200
  Re: pylint woes Christopher Reimer <christopher_reimer@icloud.com> - 2016-05-07 12:43 -0700
  Re: pylint woes Ray Cote <rgacote@appropriatesolutions.com> - 2016-05-07 15:52 -0400
  Re: pylint woes Christopher Reimer <christopher_reimer@icloud.com> - 2016-05-07 13:20 -0700
  Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 07:56 +1000
  Re: pylint woes Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-05-07 21:44 -0400
  Re: pylint woes Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-05-08 13:25 +1000
    Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 00:10 -0400
      Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 14:21 +1000
      Re: pylint woes "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <darcy@VybeNetworks.com> - 2016-05-08 08:50 -0400
      Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 23:01 +1000
        Re: pylint woes Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-08 13:45 -0700
          Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 08:07 +1000
            Re: pylint woes Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-08 18:28 -0700
        Re: pylint woes Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2016-05-08 20:49 +0000
          Re: pylint woes Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 08:10 +1000
      Re: pylint woes Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-05-09 03:25 +1000
        Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 17:16 -0400
          Re: pylint woes Stephen Hansen <me+python@ixokai.io> - 2016-05-08 14:38 -0700
            Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 17:46 -0400
              Re: pylint woes Stephen Hansen <me+python@ixokai.io> - 2016-05-08 15:05 -0700
                Re: pylint woes DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-05-08 18:24 -0400

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