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Python variables? [was Re: class implementation]

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On 09/30/2013 02:28 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 9/30/13 3:34 PM, Dave Angel wrote:
>> Python doesn't actually have variables, but the things it documents as
>> variables are local names within a method.  Those are not visible
>> outside of the method, regardless of whether you're in a class or a
>> subclass.
>
> Why does this meme persist!?  Of course Python has variables, they just don't work like C variables do.  If you'd like
> to know the details: http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names.html

Because Python's model is different enough that it usually makes thinking about it simpler to stay away from the word 
'variable'; in every other language I have used a variable is a box, but in Python it's a label for a box.

 From your blog:
>
> Names are Python's variables: they refer to values, and
>  those values can change (vary) over the course of your
>  program.

This is partially incorrect.  If the value referred to by the name is immutable, then it cannot change; perhaps you 
meant to say that which object the name points to can vary over time?

--
~Ethan~

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class implementation markotaht@gmail.com - 2013-09-30 01:43 -0700
  Re: class implementation Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-09-30 11:03 +0200
  Re: class implementation markotaht@gmail.com - 2013-09-30 02:10 -0700
    Re: class implementation Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-09-30 11:27 +0200
  Re: class implementation markotaht@gmail.com - 2013-09-30 05:41 -0700
    Re: class implementation Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-09-30 15:02 +0200
    Re: class implementation Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-09-30 09:21 -0400
    Re: class implementation Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-09-30 13:32 -0400
    Re: class implementation Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-09-30 19:34 +0000
      Re: class implementation 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@gmail.com> - 2013-10-01 00:01 -0700
    Re: class implementation Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-09-30 17:28 -0400
      Re: class implementation Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-09-30 23:45 +0000
        Re: class implementation Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-09-30 17:31 -0700
    Re: class implementation random832@fastmail.us - 2013-09-30 17:49 -0400
    Python variables?  [was Re: class implementation] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-09-30 15:02 -0700
    Re: Python variables? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-01 08:37 +1000
    Re: Python variables?  [was Re: class implementation] Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-09-30 19:45 -0400
      Re: Python variables?  [was Re: class implementation] "Rhodri James" <rhodri@wildebst.demon.co.uk> - 2013-10-01 01:29 +0100
    Re: Python variables? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-09-30 19:47 -0400
      Re: Python variables? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-01 01:03 +0000
        Re: Python variables? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-09-30 21:28 -0400
    Re: class implementation Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-01 00:19 +0000
  Re: class implementation markotaht@gmail.com - 2013-10-06 06:15 -0700
    Re: class implementation Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-10-06 15:52 -0400
    Re: class implementation Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-10-07 01:24 +0000
  Re: class implementation markotaht@gmail.com - 2013-10-08 01:20 -0700
    Re: class implementation Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-10-08 09:41 +0100
    Re: class implementation Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-10-08 10:31 +0000
    Re: class implementation Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-10-09 10:55 +1100
      Re: class implementation markotaht@gmail.com - 2013-10-10 11:34 -0700
        Re: class implementation Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2013-10-11 09:07 +1100
        Re: class implementation Piet van Oostrum <piet@vanoostrum.org> - 2013-10-10 19:29 -0400
          Re: class implementation Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-10-11 10:51 +1100
  Re: class implementation markotaht@gmail.com - 2013-10-08 07:05 -0700
    Re: class implementation "Rhodri James" <rhodri@wildebst.demon.co.uk> - 2013-10-09 00:41 +0100

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