Re: Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function

Date	2011-04-17 21:46 -0400
From	Dave Angel <davea@ieee.org>
Subject	Re: Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function
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On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Daniel Kluev wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Ben Finney<ben+python@benfinney.id.au>  wrote:
>> It won't look up the *name* ‘bool’, but it will use that object. Any
>> boolean expression is going to be calling the built-in ‘bool’ type
>> constructor.
>>
>> So the answer to the OP's question is no: the function isn't equivalent
>> to the type, because the OP's ‘bool_equivalent’ function necessarily
>> uses the built-in ‘bool’ type, while the reverse is not true.
>
> Actually, as I was curious myself, I've checked sources and found that
> `True if x else False` will _not_ call bool(), it calls
> PyObject_IsTrue() pretty much directly.

You miss Ben's point, and got it backwards.

He didn't say that the function will call the bool() type (constructor), 
but that it will use the bool type;  in other words, it will return True 
or False.  The one that may not is the function bool().

 >>> print bool("143")
True
 >>> bool = int
 >>> print bool("143")
143

Once bool has been reassigned, calling it may not return True or False 
any more.

DaveA

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  Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2011-04-16 13:58 -0700
    Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-17 07:38 +1000
      Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2011-04-17 01:51 +0200
        Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2011-04-16 17:16 -0700
        Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-17 12:39 +1000
          Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2011-04-17 10:38 +0200
            Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 18:46 +1000
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                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function John Nagle <nagle@animats.com> - 2011-04-18 12:58 -0700
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                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Christian Heimes <lists@cheimes.de> - 2011-04-19 03:39 +0200
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                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2011-04-20 11:59 +1200
                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-19 16:26 +1000
                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-04-19 08:43 +0000
                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-19 19:00 +1000
                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Westley Martínez <anikom15@gmail.com> - 2011-04-19 06:43 -0700
            Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-17 19:46 +1000
              Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function candide <candide@free.invalid> - 2011-04-18 01:22 +0200
                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-18 09:46 +1000
                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2011-04-18 12:08 +1200
                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-04-18 00:22 +0000
                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 10:52 +1000
                Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2011-04-18 10:01 +0000
            Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Daniel Kluev <dan.kluev@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 21:11 +1100
      Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Daniel Kluev <dan.kluev@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 10:45 +1100
        Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-18 10:36 +1000
      Re: Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 11:52 +1000
      Re: Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Dave Angel <davea@ieee.org> - 2011-04-17 21:46 -0400
      Re: Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Daniel Kluev <dan.kluev@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 14:16 +1100
      Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Ned Deily <nad@acm.org> - 2011-04-17 21:40 -0700
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        Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2011-04-19 12:22 +1200
      Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2011-04-17 22:49 -0700
        Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-04-18 06:14 +0000
      Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 16:03 +1000
  Re: Equivalent code to the bool() built-in function Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2011-04-17 07:13 +1000
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