Re: Default scope of variables

From	Dave Angel <davea@davea.name>
Subject	Re: Default scope of variables
Date	2013-07-04 22:03 -0400
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On 07/04/2013 09:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:54:20 +0100, Rotwang wrote:
> [...]
>> Anyway, none of the calculations that has been given takes into account
>> the fact that names can be /less/ than one million characters long.
>
>
> Not in *my* code they don't!!!
>
> *wink*
>
>
>> The
>> actual number of non-empty strings of length at most 1000000 characters,
>> that consist only of ascii letters, digits or underscores, and that
>> don't start with a digit, is
>>
>> sum(53*63**i for i in range(1000000)) == 53*(63**1000000 - 1)//62
>
>
> I take my hat of to you sir, or possibly madam. That is truly an inspired
> piece of pedantry.
>
>
>> It's perhaps worth mentioning that some non-ascii characters are allowed
>> in identifiers in Python 3, though I don't know which ones.
>
> PEP 3131 describes the rules:
>
> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3131/
>
> For example:
>
> py> import unicodedata as ud
> py> for c in 'éæ¥µ¿μЖᚃ‰⇄∞':
> ...     print(c, ud.name(c), c.isidentifier(), ud.category(c))
> ...
> é LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH ACUTE True Ll
> æ LATIN SMALL LETTER AE True Ll
> ¥ YEN SIGN False Sc
> µ MICRO SIGN True Ll
> ¿ INVERTED QUESTION MARK False Po
> μ GREEK SMALL LETTER MU True Ll
> Ж CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHE True Lu
> ᚃ OGHAM LETTER FEARN True Lo
> ‰ PER MILLE SIGN False Po
> ⇄ RIGHTWARDS ARROW OVER LEFTWARDS ARROW False So
> ∞ INFINITY False Sm
>
>
>

The isidentifier() method will let you weed out the characters that 
cannot start an identifier.  But there are other groups of characters 
that can appear after the starting "letter".  So a more reasonable 
sample might be something like:

 > py> import unicodedata as ud
 > py> for c in 'éæ¥µ¿μЖᚃ‰⇄∞':
 > ...     xc = "X" + c
 > ...     print(c, ud.name(c), xc.isidentifier(), ud.category(c))
 > ...

In particular,
     http://docs.python.org/3.3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#identifiers

has a  definition for id_continue that includes several interesting 
categories.  I expected the non-ASCII digits, but there's other stuff 
there, like "nonspacing marks" that are surprising.

I'm pretty much speculating here, so please correct me if I'm way off.

-- 
DaveA

Thread

Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-04 03:27 +0000
  Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 14:07 +1000
    Re: Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-04 05:32 +0000
      Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 15:47 +1000
        Re: Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-04 16:38 +0000
          Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 02:58 +1000
          Re: Default scope of variables Wayne Werner <wayne@waynewerner.com> - 2013-07-07 08:13 -0500
          Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-07 23:43 +1000
            Re: Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-07 16:03 +0000
              Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-08 10:46 +1000
            Re: Default scope of variables alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 14:52 +1000
              Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 15:07 +1000
                Re: Default scope of variables alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 16:08 +1000
                Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 16:13 +1000
                Re: Default scope of variables "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2013-07-09 09:35 +0200
                Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 17:45 +1000
                Re: Default scope of variables Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 01:56 -0600
                Re: Default scope of variables "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2013-07-09 10:22 +0200
                Re: Default scope of variables "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2013-07-09 10:38 +0200
                Re: Default scope of variables Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-07-09 09:07 -0700
                Re: Default scope of variables Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 10:44 -0600
                Re: Default scope of variables Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-07-09 10:23 -0700
                Re: Default scope of variables Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-09 12:41 -0600
                Re: Default scope of variables Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-07-09 12:19 -0700
                Re: Default scope of variables "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2013-07-10 07:54 +0200
                Re: Default scope of variables Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-10 09:42 -0600
                Re: Default scope of variables Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-07-10 08:29 -0700
                Re: Default scope of variables "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2013-07-11 07:52 +0200
          Re: Default scope of variables Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-07-07 09:52 -0700
          Re: Default scope of variables Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-07-07 11:59 -0700
          Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-08 10:48 +1000
            Re: Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-08 02:23 +0000
              Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-08 13:11 +1000
                Re: Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-08 05:00 +0000
                Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-08 15:14 +1000
      Re: Default scope of variables Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-07-04 08:48 +0200
      Re: Default scope of variables Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 01:12 -0600
      Re: Default scope of variables Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-07-04 03:06 -0400
        Re: Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-04 15:52 +0000
        Re: Default scope of variables Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2013-07-04 17:54 +0100
          Re: Default scope of variables Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-07-04 20:36 +0200
          Re: Default scope of variables Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 01:04 +0100
          Re: Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-05 01:24 +0000
            Re: Default scope of variables Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-07-04 22:03 -0400
            Re: Default scope of variables Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 03:29 +0100
            Re: Default scope of variables Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 03:27 +0100
            Re: Default scope of variables Rotwang <sg552@hotmail.co.uk> - 2013-07-05 07:28 +0100
        Re: Default scope of variables Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-07-05 13:24 +0000
          Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 23:43 +1000
            Re: Default scope of variables Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-07-05 15:36 +0000
          Re: Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-07 16:08 +0000
            Re: Default scope of variables Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-07-08 11:54 +0000
              Re: Default scope of variables Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-08 14:14 +0100
      Re: Default scope of variables Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-07-04 14:43 +0200
      Re: Default scope of variables Wayne Werner <wayne@waynewerner.com> - 2013-07-04 10:45 -0500
  Re: Default scope of variables Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 05:30 +0100
    Re: Default scope of variables Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-04 05:45 +0000
  Re: Default scope of variables Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 14:36 +1000
  Re: Default scope of variables Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 06:09 +0100
  Re: Default scope of variables Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-08 17:58 +0100

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