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On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:17 AM, BartC <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 01/06/2015 14:52, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> It's
>>
>> like the eternal debate about assignment and whether "x = x + 1" is
>> nonsense, with advocates preferring "x := x + 1" as being somehow
>> fundamentally different. It isn't. It's just a notational change, and
>> not even a huge one. (Though I do see the line of argument that it
>> should be "x <- x + 1" or something else that looks like an arro'w.)
>
>
> 'x <- x + 1' already means something as an expression (whether x is less
> than (-x+1). 'x <= x + 1' has the same problem.
>
> But I have used "=>" before,  for left-to-right assignment. (Mostly I use
> ":=")

In Python it does, yes; I'm talking about the language design
advocates. Some recommend a two-character ASCII notation like "<-" or
"<=", others prefer a single-character symbol eg "←" or "⇦", but
whatever it is, it will have no meaning in that language other than
assignment. And yes, I can see the value of using an arrow to indicate
assignment... but I don't really see a huge problem with using "=" to
mean assignment, given that people from a mathematical background will
have to grok the entire concept of temporal truth anyway. Whatever
symbol you use, it has to be explained.

ChrisA

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