Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]


Groups > comp.lang.python > #49310

Re: looking for a linguistical/semiotic quote

Path csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail
Return-Path <vlastimil.brom@gmail.com>
X-Original-To python-list@python.org
Delivered-To python-list@mail.python.org
X-Spam-Status OK 0.103
X-Spam-Level *
X-Spam-Evidence '*H*': 0.79; '*S*': 0.00; 'mentions': 0.09; 'say.': 0.16; 'sprachen': 0.16; 'url:issues': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'sich': 0.26; 'nicht': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'respective': 0.29; 'besides': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'question:': 0.31; 'sondern': 0.31; 'url:cz': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'german': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'hi,': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; '(from': 0.39; 'quote': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'und': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'skip:w 30': 0.69; 'paper': 0.75; 'rusi': 0.91; 'subject:looking': 0.91
DKIM-Signature v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6rTHt6QzkZJVG7eQeJ3VSV88akEfnYefQl/DEAXmq0A=; b=mmYt9VBl66YnerZsifLoXTmJpwMQq5OsokfpkP5DvfRQ+y3hxHKhxn4MjXDRViDl3J VJEF45hMbFwnOFhD7o+rlHTKtYUErtJ2ksQm3R0Ci/KZKORbYCsT2aAVMSaghU6AEn/J YucBVdtUQ7G4vbHsVgWJKYEvq7xewrTn5uqV6cK1h3KfG7sb89Ou3WuV9EQAW0XMqHIg mjjP8UNrEFV44XNX+uRliAG9EhNy1MsuQLmB3gLesmsie1LDSUBH8cbS7DaZ5GvHksEe YWmM9VsRVpJZOachNZPb/x/L48a0drLByqR4twwfALwwP86C//KLKc6O/w9ygaI0LckR i/tw==
MIME-Version 1.0
X-Received by 10.224.115.5 with SMTP id g5mr7050750qaq.53.1372335039340; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:10:39 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To <d6546cc6-bc88-430a-9da0-a3189cc74c64@googlegroups.com>
References <d6546cc6-bc88-430a-9da0-a3189cc74c64@googlegroups.com>
Date Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:10:39 +0200
Subject Re: looking for a linguistical/semiotic quote
From Vlastimil Brom <vlastimil.brom@gmail.com>
To python <python-list@python.org>
Content-Type text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding quoted-printable
X-BeenThere python-list@python.org
X-Mailman-Version 2.1.15
Precedence list
List-Id General discussion list for the Python programming language <python-list.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe <http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/>
List-Post <mailto:python-list@python.org>
List-Help <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list>, <mailto:python-list-request@python.org?subject=subscribe>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Message-ID <mailman.3920.1372335043.3114.python-list@python.org> (permalink)
Lines 29
NNTP-Posting-Host 2001:888:2000:d::a6
X-Trace 1372335043 news.xs4all.nl 15923 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46687
X-Complaints-To abuse@xs4all.nl
Xref csiph.com comp.lang.python:49310

Show key headers only | View raw


2013/6/27 rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>:
> I am looking for a quote
> (from Whorf/Sapir/Wittgenstein/Humboldt dunno... that 'school')
>
> It goes something like this:
>
> What characterizes a language is not what we can say in it but what we must -- like it or not -- say.
> [...]

Hi,
I belive, the author is Roman Jakobson, see the respective post about
this very question:
http://linguistlist.org/issues/9/9-32.html

There seem to be several variations,
Another remarkable linguist Eugenio Coseriu mentions this in his paper
(Sprache: Strukturen und Funktionen ... Tübingen 1979, p. 119).
The German text is besides mentioning Jakobson almost fully equivalent
to you original quote:
"R. Jakobson bemerkt mit Recht, daß sich die Sprachen nicht durch das,
was sie sagen können, unterscheiden, sondern durch das, was sie sagen
müssen."

http://books.google.cz/books?id=JkGCkC8RYcEC
p. 119

hth,
  vbr

Back to comp.lang.python | Previous | NextPrevious in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread


Thread

looking for a linguistical/semiotic quote rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-27 04:14 -0700
  Re: looking for a linguistical/semiotic quote Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-27 21:19 +1000
    Re: looking for a linguistical/semiotic quote rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-27 04:34 -0700
  Re: looking for a linguistical/semiotic quote Vlastimil Brom <vlastimil.brom@gmail.com> - 2013-06-27 14:10 +0200
    Re: looking for a linguistical/semiotic quote rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-27 05:25 -0700

csiph-web