Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.103 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.79; '*S*': 0.00; 'mentions': 0.09; 'say.': 0.16; 'sprachen': 0.16; 'url:issues': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'this:': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'sich': 0.26; 'nicht': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'respective': 0.29; 'besides': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'question:': 0.31; 'sondern': 0.31; 'url:cz': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'german': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'hi,': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; '(from': 0.39; 'quote': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'und': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'skip:w 30': 0.69; 'paper': 0.75; 'rusi': 0.91; 'subject:looking': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6rTHt6QzkZJVG7eQeJ3VSV88akEfnYefQl/DEAXmq0A=; b=mmYt9VBl66YnerZsifLoXTmJpwMQq5OsokfpkP5DvfRQ+y3hxHKhxn4MjXDRViDl3J VJEF45hMbFwnOFhD7o+rlHTKtYUErtJ2ksQm3R0Ci/KZKORbYCsT2aAVMSaghU6AEn/J YucBVdtUQ7G4vbHsVgWJKYEvq7xewrTn5uqV6cK1h3KfG7sb89Ou3WuV9EQAW0XMqHIg mjjP8UNrEFV44XNX+uRliAG9EhNy1MsuQLmB3gLesmsie1LDSUBH8cbS7DaZ5GvHksEe YWmM9VsRVpJZOachNZPb/x/L48a0drLByqR4twwfALwwP86C//KLKc6O/w9ygaI0LckR i/tw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.115.5 with SMTP id g5mr7050750qaq.53.1372335039340; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:10:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:10:39 +0200 Subject: Re: looking for a linguistical/semiotic quote From: Vlastimil Brom To: python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1372335043 news.xs4all.nl 15923 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46687 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:49310 2013/6/27 rusi : > I am looking for a quote > (from Whorf/Sapir/Wittgenstein/Humboldt dunno... that 'school') > > It goes something like this: > > What characterizes a language is not what we can say in it but what we mu= st -- like it or not -- say. > [...] Hi, I belive, the author is Roman Jakobson, see the respective post about this very question: http://linguistlist.org/issues/9/9-32.html There seem to be several variations, Another remarkable linguist Eugenio Coseriu mentions this in his paper (Sprache: Strukturen und Funktionen ... T=FCbingen 1979, p. 119). The German text is besides mentioning Jakobson almost fully equivalent to you original quote: "R. Jakobson bemerkt mit Recht, da=DF sich die Sprachen nicht durch das, was sie sagen k=F6nnen, unterscheiden, sondern durch das, was sie sagen m=FCssen." http://books.google.cz/books?id=3DJkGCkC8RYcEC p. 119 hth, vbr