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Re: Drowning in a teacup?

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On 04/02/2016 12:54 PM, Random832 wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016, at 15:28, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 4:27:30 PM UTC-4, Fillmore wrote:
>>> notorious pass by reference vs pass by value biting me in the backside
>>> here. Proceeding in order.
>>
>> As others have pointed out, this is false dichotomy.  There are other
>> possibilities than pass by reference and pass by value.  Python (and
>> many other languages) use something called pass by object or pass by
>> sharing.
>
> I think that this arises from a confusion as to what a "value" is in
> "pass by value".
>
> The point of it being pass by value is that there is no statement you
> can execute in the function that has the effect of an assignment of the
> expression that was passed in from the caller. This holds no matter what
> kind of object is passed in or what mutable properties it has or does
> not have.

Also, if "pass-by-value" is being used, even mutation of the passed 
object will not show up in the caller.

--
~Ethan~

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Drowning in a teacup? Fillmore <fillmore_remove@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-01 16:27 -0400
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Rob Gaddi <rgaddi@highlandtechnology.invalid> - 2016-04-01 20:39 +0000
    Re: Drowning in a teacup? Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 14:52 -0600
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2016-04-01 21:45 +0100
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Michael Selik <michael.selik@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 20:46 +0000
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-04-02 09:46 +1100
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Fillmore <fillmore_remove@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-02 00:03 -0400
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Vito De Tullio <vito.detullio@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 07:45 +0200
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Michael Selik <michael.selik@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 05:51 +0000
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Vito De Tullio <vito.detullio@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 08:26 +0200
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2016-04-02 12:31 +0200
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-04-02 12:53 +0100
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Michael Selik <michael.selik@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 14:36 +0000
  Re: Drowning in a teacup? Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2016-04-02 12:28 -0700
    Re: Drowning in a teacup? Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-04-02 15:54 -0400
      Re: Drowning in a teacup? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-04-03 12:33 +1000
    Re: Drowning in a teacup? Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2016-04-02 16:15 -0700
    Re: Drowning in a teacup? Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2016-04-02 19:19 -0400

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